Maurice Sklar Strikes the Mother Lode In False Prophecy

The wave of false prophets that has swarmed over the internet for the past decade or so has produced some very prolific practitioners, but probably none more so than Dr. Maurice Sklar.

His prophetic  messages pop up everywhere on Christian forums. It would seem at first glance that the Lord speaks to this man very often, on very many topics.  But on a closer look, we can see that its not always, or even mostly, or possibly even at all the Lord who is speaking to him.

Every once in a while, there comes along the pike a false prophecy that is so astounding in its depth of detail and degree of falsehood that it literally takes my breath away. One such prophecy that has made the rounds for the last few years on many forums and websites is the spectacular “Preparation of the Bride” prophecy issued November 24th, 2005, by none other than Dr. Sklar. 

http://www.mauricesklar.com/Teachings/Preparation_of_the_Bride/preparation_of_the_bride.html

Dr. Sklar is an accomplised musician. To get an idea of Dr. Sklar’s prophetic ministry, it is helpful to read a list of crusades and meetings he has ministered at, either musically or otherwise participating.  Among the names that jump out are:

Kenneth Hagin, Jr., Kenneth Copeland, Che Ahn, Benny Hinn, Rod Parsley,…. you get the idea.  A roll call of some of the most apostate of the current apostasy in the church today.

You might remember Che Ahn as the one who made the truly memorable statement to Todd Bentley back in 2008,  during the height of the Lakeland false revival in Florida that year, “I must decrease that you might increase.” Need we say anymore about someone who would quote John the Baptist’s reference to Christ, in referring to Todd Bentley?

Benny Hinn needs no introduction. His truly heretical antics have made a mockery of the faith for decades. Rod Parsley is the one who last year asked his followers to send in one million dollars in donations to “ward off satanic attacks.” Kenneth Copeland is a false teacher who for decades has been using the “word of faith” and “name it and claim it” false prosperity gospel to grow personally rich.

What are some of the “prophetic words” Dr. Sklar has issued over the years? This whopper of a failed prophetic word that we will focus on, issued in 2005, stands out as one of the most fantastic failures of any prophecy I have ever seen, and it will be revealing to dissect this message to learn from it.

Details of the 2005 “Preparation of the Bride” prophecy

Since it is so long, I will take cut it down into pieces and snippets, and from that a big picture will eventually emerge. Here we go, into a wonderland of prophetic mystery, all incredibly ascribed to be the words of the Lord God Almighty Himself:

“New York City will receive 3 major judgments before the end of 2008. Each one will be more devastating than the last. One will shake the entire financial world and cripple the once invincible financial power of America. Millions will lose everything in a moment. It will make the crash of the stock market in 1929 look like a little thing in comparison. America will no longer be the financial leader of the world. Another judgment will destroy a major stadium during a sports event. Yet another explosion will destroy nearly an entire Borough of New York. But for the sake of the Jewish people in New York, I will supernaturally spare them. After this, I will cause the largest aliyah (return) of My people (the Jewish people) from New York (and other regions throughout the developed world to Israel) in all of history. But only after the entire financial system that they are dependant on collapses will they all return to the land that I have promised them.”

Is it just me, or are other people of the Christian faith just as shocked as I am that someone could put these words in the Lord’s mouth, and be totally unrepentant about it afterward?

Enough people repented, so the Lord changed his mind!

This disclaimer is added on somewhere in the middle of the lengthy prophetic word:

This is but a fraction of what is soon to come IF there is not repentance and turning back to Me.

This is the new “out” for the false prophet that is so popular these days. When what the Lord supposedly tells them fails completely to come to pass, it was because of repentance on the part of the people. Did anyone notice a great wave of repentance that swept over New York City between 2005 and 2008?

What Biblical reference point do we have to get an idea of how much repentance is required for God to withhold His hand of judgment? When we look at the story of Jonah and his prophetic warning to the city of Nineveh, we see that every single person in the city, right down to the cattle in the fields, wore sackcloth and ashes.

When God issues a prophecy with conditions attached, it is clearly stated within the prophecy itself. God doesn’t leave us guessing.  The Nineveh warning was issued by God in a clearly conditional manner, with the condition being stated by God Himself. When you see a prophet tack on  a disclaimer, or allow a disclaimer to be tacked on, to his prophecy that “it may not occur if enough people repent”, this is a red flag we should be aware of.

Lets look further into it. Earlier in this same 2005 prophecy, there is this to say about the year 2007:

 There shall be 5 terrorist attacks that will hit America in ever increasing destruction upon the major cities. Before the end of 2007, a nuclear “dirty bomb” will blow up in a major city in the south of America.

The false prophecies continue:

There will follow two more judgments one in a major city of Europe and one in the Arab nations in the middle east before the end of this year.  (2005)

Followed by:

Tokyo, Japan. Hong Kong, China. Johannesburg, South Africa. Calcutta, India. Sidney, Australia. Chicago, Illinois. Los Angeles, California. Paris, France and many other cities will experience major catastrophies in the next five years. (Editor’s note: meaning: by 2010). Millions upon millions will perish.

It takes one’s breath away to ponder how anyone with any fear of the Lord at all, even at the most basic level, could still be issuing prophetic words today, after such a colossal failure. Its seems as if he doesn’t even break stride, failure after failure, not even considering the consequences of dishonoring the word of the Lord in this manner. We have been clearly warned in scripture against doing this.

The prophetic words keep coming, all of this indicated to occur within the 2005 to 2009 time frame:

I will shake California in a warning, and then there shall finally come the earthquake that I have mercifully withheld for so many years. Millions shall perish in the ensuing floods and the west coast of America shall be removed and fall into the ocean.

Note: Dr. Sklar continues to this day to base his ministry in Victorville, California, the same West Coast area God supposedly told him would fall into the ocean.

And this:

Boston shall experience a major attack upon a great school that once preached My gospel in ages past but has left the faith of their fathers never to return again. It will never be rebuilt again.

And still more rings out:

The aids epidemic will devastate the population in Africa to half of its’ present size in the next 4 years.

Wait a minute here. African population cut in half by 2009?

And this:

North Korea will launch a sudden nuclear attack and then be completely destroyed. Only the prayers of South Korea can stop it.

Note: The North Korea nuclear attack didn’t occur. So in order to support this prophecy the theory that South Korea repented sufficiently needs to be quickly called onto the playing field to plug this leak in the prophecy.

The “Taking Billy Graham home”  Story Line

But for me, the real sucker punch in this whole prophecy was the assertion that God was revealing to the seer that He was going “to take Billy Graham and Oral Roberts home.”  Well, lets see, Oral Roberts did die four years after the prophecy, at the age of 91. Can we call this a prophecy that someone 87 would die within 4 years?

And about Billy Graham. Lets have a closer look at what Dr. Sklar has been passing on to us, supposedly from God, about Rev. Graham’s fate, in the time since this 2005 word. This is where the tale takes a definite turn for the worse, if that is even possible. In my research, I began to see that Dr. Sklar has been prophetically declaring the imminent passing of Reverand Graham for many, many years.

In recent times, Dr. Sklar has claimed God told him he is “taking Billy Graham home” on the following occasions, with the title and date of the prophetic word in bold:

November 24, 2005 “Preparation of the Bride” as noted above.

June 4, 2009 The Coming Threats To the United States of America http://www.mauricesklar.com/Teachings/The_Coming_Threats/the_coming_threats.html

July 13, 2010  The Restrainer http://www.mauricesklar.com/Teachings/The_Retrainer/the_retrainer.html

December 1, 2011 “The Lord Says

http://www.mauricesklar.com/Teachings/Prophecy/prophecy.html

“The Lord Says” prophecy was released a day after Billy Graham was admitted to hospital in serious condition with pneumonia. Here the Lord is clearly quoted as telling Dr. Sklar that Rev. Graham’s passing will occur SOON.

August 16, 2012  The Red Horse of War http://www.injesus.com/messages/content/414964

The Red Horse of War prophecy was released 3 days after Billy Graham was admitted to hospital with bronchitis.

So you see, basically every year, Dr. Sklar issues a prophetic word saying God told him Billy Graham will pass away, or at least to “watch” for his passing. In the case of two of these prophetic utterances, Reverend Graham had been admitted to hospital just before the issuance of the prophecy.

But when I looked a little further into this prophecy, I found this “death of Oral Roberts and Billy Graham” prophecy was not new. It actually originated from the mouth of none other than Benny Hinn. In an old broadcast recently reshown on TBN, Hinn stated:

“The Lord said to me in ’89…sorry, yeah, ’89. He said when Oral Roberts and Billy Graham go home will be the key—it will be the sign—of the beginning of the greatest revival on earth. Oral is home. Billy is about to go home. And when he does, I am telling the whole church, get ready.”

So when one checks further back to what he actually said in 1989, it was the following, in a string of New Years Eve prophecies Benny Hinn recorded at his Florida church, Orlando Christian Center:

The Lord also says that, Two of his great giants will die in the mid-90’s. They’ve held the torch of revival for the last forty years, these two. One of them has been to this church, and the other has not. One will die suddenly while asleep. And the other will die of sickness. And as both giants die, which will be in the mid-90’s, I will shake this world with a last revival. Their death will be the closing pages of this move.

I think a few things are clear here:

(1) God knows exactly when Billy Graham will pass from his mortal body.

(2) While God works in mysterious ways, He doesn’t work in confusing or incongruous ways. For God to reveal to Dr. Sklar, or Benny Hinn, anything about the mortal passing of Rev. Graham would be surprising enough, but to be confusing about the timing seems even more out of character for the Almighty God we know about through His Word.

(3) Neither Dr. Sklar, nor Benny Hinn years before him, were actually receiving heavenly bulletins about the medical condition of Rev.Graham. Billy Graham continues to live. God is the only one who knows the timing of his, or anyone else’s, passing.

How can any thinking, scripturally knowledgeable, and God fearing Christian come to any other conclusion than that this is an abomination to claim to fellow Christians that God speaks to them in this manner?

Other Prophetic Visions From Dr. Sklar

You might think, well, the prophet was just having a bad day when he issued this message. I don’t think the Lord was having a hard time getting through to him, or was unclear. So perhaps his prophetic radar in some way wasn’t functioning that day. Thus to be fair, lets take a look at some of the other teachings this person has issued over the years. Some examples are the following:

The Vision of Heaven (Aug. 4th, 2010)

http://www.mauricesklar.com/Teachings/A_Vision_of_Heaven/a_vision_of_heaven.html

On Wednesday, August 4th, 2010, at about 10:30 AM, an angel came into my bedroom, I had just awakened. He said to me, “I am sent from the Lord to bring you to heaven. You must now come with me. Take my hand.” So I did. Suddenly, I was in the spirit realm. We ascended out through the ceiling of my home and shot up into the air like a rocket.

What follows is a vividly detailed description of heaven itself.

Soon I saw a large white tent “city” of sorts………It had twelve tent pavilions; each with a white cone that went up at
least ten stories high. On top of each “cone” was a flag that the
angel said was a flag for each of the twelve tribes of Israel……….As we entered into the tent of Benjamin, I saw many tables that were at least a hundred feet long. Each was lavishly set with gold cutlery, crystal goblets and plates that looked like they were made out of mother-of-pearl.

He then goes on to describe entering a heavenly concert hall:

The angel quietly spoke in my ear. This is a concert in your honor.
The composer, Gustav Mahler is here in heaven. He has composed a symphony for you. Then the Lord came out on stage and conducted! ……Then, when the music started, I went into a realm of ecstasy that I cannot describe in words…… But the music was like a living movie or a vision…… I listened and I saw many good things that I had done to love people on earth.

There is some biblical precedent for people getting glimpses of heaven. Elijah and Enoch were both taken up to heaven directly without tasting death. But they never returned to tell anyone what it was like. Lazarus never spoke much later on about what he had seen in the four days before he was resurrected.

The detail of Dr. Sklar’s visit to heaven is stunning in comparison with the scarce information we get from Scripture of what heaven is like. John the Apostle was the only one in the Bible who provided anything close to the kind of detail about heaven provided by Dr. Sklar, and that detail comes through visions related in the book of Revelation.  It seems that Dr. Sklar has the advantage over John, in that his imagery comes from an actual visitation, not a dream or vision.

(…….at about 10:30 AM, an angel came into my bedroom, I had just awakened.)

Fishing With William Branham 

http://www.mauricesklar.com/Teachings/Recent_Vision/recent_vision.html

A remarkable vision Dr. Sklar says he was given to release to us is this tale of a fishing trip where he encountered the deceased William Branham. Branham appeared beside him in a small fishing boat. He asked Maurice to release 25 of his “lost sermons” that contained an important message for the present times. This vision really has to be read to do it justice.

William Branham was a man who lived about half a century ago, who was kind of a forerunner for numerous false doctrines that took firm grip on the church in later years. His teaching was a bizarre combination of Word Faith, Manifest Sons of God, and Serpent Seed, all rolled into one. He denied basic Christian doctrine such as the Trinity.

Branham explained, “…not one place in the Bible is trinity ever mentioned…It’s Catholic error and you Protestants bow to it” (Conduct, Order, Doctrine, Q and A, p. 182).

See http://letusreason.org/Latrain4.htm for a complete discussion of the errors of William Branham.

Dr. Sklar’s Defense of the failed “Preparation of the Bride” Prophecy

 Years later, Dr. Sklar issued the following statement concerning the complete and abject failure of the 2005 prophecy:

http://www.mauricesklar.com/Teachings/Coming_Shakings_/coming_shakings_.html

Well, much to my surprise, it went all around the world. Many thousands of intercessors began to pray, and I am now convinced that God held these calamities back in His mercy so that we would have more time to get the Gospel out to the nations (especially here in America!).

Here he invokes the “repentance clause” we came across above. These internet prophets convince us it wasn’t their failure, it was God changing His mind. According to this logic, there are no failed prophecies, just a whole lot of cases where God withholds the judgment spoken of. And even more amazingly, Christians who should be exercising more discernment just accept it.  

Then he pauses, to add that he “could have just missed it”, only to quickly revert back to :

I am now more and more convinced that I really DID have a genuine visitation from the Holy Spirit and God’s mercy did indeed intervene and held these calamities back, praise His Holy Name

Is he talking about a message from God here or is this a debate he is having in his own mind about whether it was God speaking? If you are not crystal clear on whether it is God speaking or not, you are not getting revelation from God. The word of God is never ambiguous. The Lord will never experience problems making things clear to us. Obviously, prophecy was never intended to be a “hit or miss”proposition. 

This is so typical of the modern day internet prophets. They think its OK if they “win a few, lose a few.” Even if they “win” none, and “lose” them all, its all good to them. It shows you how they bring a “game” mentality to something as deadly serious as revelation from the Lord Almighty. It all sells, it all attracts popularity and attention to their ministries, which is what its all about for them.

Evaluation of the 2005 “Preparation of the Bride” prophecy.

In the final analysis, for the 2005 “Preparation of the Bride” prophecy of Maurice Sklar to be considered seriously as a genuine word from the Lord, so much of our Biblical understanding of the Lord and His ways would have to be suspended or done away with altogether. It is impossible to draw any other conclusion  than that the words are from a human mind, and represented as words from God.

Maurice Sklar sees nothing wrong in piggybacking on a prophecy by Benny Hinn which has failed for 23 consecutive years, and hardwiring it into a mishmash of failed utterances in 2005, only to see it fail for another 7 straight years. He pridefully puts the name of God on all this, and without even a moment’s hesitation, continues to issue prophetic utterances today.

This is actually a very sad story of a man, who in every other way appears to be a very decent, likable, and well-meaning individual. He has for some unknown reason decided to elevate himself to an office of spokesman for God without God’s calling to do so. He is forsaking all of the numerous biblical warnings against doing this, as if  he believes he has received some special permission to bypass God’s written instructions. What is the result? The false glorification and uplifting of his own ego in terms of his person, his ministry, and his career, through counterfeiting the gifts of the Holy Spirit. Could the Bible be any clearer about how seriously this grieves the Lord?

And what harm does this do when people falsely speak for God? The New Testament, as well as the Old Testament, speak clearly about the danger of false prophecy. When people in the church become focused on what a false prophet is claiming God said, they are diverted from the real truth contained in the Bible.

I recall last year when many of the false prophets of the internet spun tales about how comet Elenin was going to be a spectacular, monumental event with great significance for all Christians. Many thousands of believers were totally enraptured for months, caught up in discussions, forum posts, tweets, and blogs with daily updates of the progress of this comet. How much could have been done to further the commission of spreading the Gospel if the same number of man-hours of effort had instead gone into evangelization and bringing Christ to the lost, or simply soaking in the glory of God’s word?

All these internet seers, watchmen, prophets, or whatever they insist on being called, are charming, and tell an interesting tale. They are personable, and know how to keep their audiences interested. But whatever takes our focus off of Christ and puts it onto the things of the world and the things of men, is of the darkness. Remember that scripture tells us that the spirit of darkness comes dressed as an angel of light. It is our job as ambassadors of Christ to have the discernment to know when Satan is using someone to deceive us and take us away from the light of the world that is Jesus Christ.

The word of God Almighty is the most precious thing imaginable. It is worth more than all our gold and every material thing. We in the body of Christ should not allow it to be trampled on and belittled. We wouldn’t allow anyone to edit or change our Bible. Why should this kind of brazen misrepresentation of God’s revelation to us be excused?

All blessings in Christ,

JD Ellis

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87 Responses to Maurice Sklar Strikes the Mother Lode In False Prophecy

  1. Eric says:

    JD Ellis the Kingdom of God is at hand to warn you, Repent.
    Your are clearly the one deluded here and the Holy Spirit did not inspire you to write this erroneous work against the body. He who does not have the Holy Spirit as guide is not on the side of Heaven. You need to seek God on this matter and stop pressing on assumptively. You are getting close to if you already haven’t blasphemed the Holy Spirit like the men that accused Christ of doing miracles by the enemy’s power. Ninevah’s judgement was delayed 40 years because enough people repented and prayed. So you are in grave error when you claim that God can’t stay or delay prophecies when enough people repent, you clearly don’t understand how prophecies work, some are conditional, some are warnings of God’s plan of action if people dont repent or change from a course that will provoke God to some sort of response. Case in point, Prophet Efrain Rodriguez of Puerto Rico http://youtu.be/EWhCZgID6tY was shown that a meteor will strike in the atlantic and devastate Puerto Rico and the U.S. with a coast killing tsunami and nation splitting earth quake if the U.S. dares to cause the Israeli’s to divide their Holy covenant land with the Palestinians, so the prophets having been calling for people to fast and pray that John Kerry doesn’t get an Palestinian State formed this year which would divide the Holy covenant land, John Kerry wants to have this established by april, so we are set to pray against that God provoking offence. You need to be very careful of your words against prophets of God because the bible clearly warns about touching the Lord’s annointed or His prophets. If a prophet does his Job the people are warned and they repent then the judgement doesn’t have to come, some of Jeremiah’s prophecies haven’t come to pass, would you dare call him a false prophet? The only Prophecies that are set in stone are the ones like the return of Christ at the end of the tribulation and New Jerusalem being set up on earth, these will happen no matter what. Please get on your face in prayer and seek God’s face and ask Him who his real workmen and prophets are so that you can stop accusing the brethren and stirring up strife in the body. Consider this an open rebuke and correction.
    God bless you.

    • Yes, some prophecies haven’t happened yet. That’s because they are about future events, not because God delayed them. Or because God was hazy and uncertain about whether he was going to allow them to happen or not. Yes, God can delay some judgments. No, he doesn’t delay ALL judgments given in prophecies, like the false prophets want you to believe. Since NOTHING they claim God told them EVER comes to pass, they have to get you to believe God delays ALL judgments.

      Your eschatology is very erroneous. You remind me of the guy who wrote a whole book on how storms and hurricanes would strike America within days of any comments made by the president that were even remotely not 100% pro-Israeli government. You need to read some of the books by Stephen Sizer on God and the land, to get some perspective, instead of just reading the dispensationalist views.

      Do you believe Maurice Sklar was brought up to heaven for God to honor him with a symphony conducted in his honor, and to admiringly show Maurice all the “loving things” he had done in his life? And to show him his name was written in heaven in gold letters? Please answer yes, or no.

      If not, then why do you cast down the fires of hell upon me for saying he is a false prophet? Or do you believe God gives his true prophets a “quota”, i.e., they are allowed to tell a certain number of lies in God’s name, and it will be tolerated, as long as they don’t go over their allotted quota? I wonder what Maurice Sklar’s “quota” for permitted false prophecies is. It would have to be in the hundreds, or he would have exceeded it by now.

      Please answer my question. If you have God on “your side” as you put it, you will have a answer for how a “true” prophet can say that God brought him to heaven and honored him for his deeds in this life. (Here’s a hint: the biblical answer is that ALL of men’s deeds are as filthy rags to God. He acknowledges only the blood of Christ. You have to deny the Bible to believe Sklar was telling the truth.) I’ll be waiting for your answer. And, no, I won’t be a bit surprised if you side with Sklar over scripture.


      “Case in point, Prophet Efrain Rodriguez of Puerto Rico was shown that a meteor will strike in the atlantic and devastate Puerto Rico and the U.S. with a coast killing tsunami and nation splitting earth quake if the U.S. dares to cause the Israeli’s to divide their Holy covenant land with the Palestinians,”

      Its incredibly undiscerning to just take this quote from a man and lift it up as truth, equal or higher in authority to scripture. That’s why I called this blog EndtimeDelusion. People will become so enamored with falsehoods and reject the truth of scripture that God sends them a strong delusion. God says in effect “OK, you insist on your lies, here you have your delusion.” 2 Thess. 2:10-11 The result is the entire world being engulfed and swept up in this huge pack of lies that you are buying into.

      May God bless you by opening up your eyes to biblical truth.

      JD Ellis

    • Trev says:

      Eric, you are the one mislead..Efrain Rodriguez’s prophecy never mentioned the asteroid as a judgment for splitting Israel or dividing it….this false information came from the prophecy club which Efrain Rodriguez himself stated that people are twisting the very words of his prophecy; I am not endorsing Efrain Rodriguez on this prophecy for many reasons but that is a whole different story…case in point is this….you are referring to prophecies as evidence that is incorrect in itself….if you think all these prophets are true, then where are their evidence and signs as Moses produces before pharoa?…what prophecy have any of these false prophets stated that did come true in the short term so that others can believe in their prophecy of long term?….and lastly, why do these false prophet always stand alone?… they are the only one with direct contact and understanding of the prophecy and have sole power to interpret it…whatever happened to bringing at least two witnesses to validate their prophecy?….think about it

  2. Armin says:

    Thanks for your work Mr.Ellis,been tracking this stuff since the early eighties,used to treat cancer and lost a patient due to a false prophecy given by Kim Clement, who told the patient to fore go the treatment and she subsequently died,blaming herself for her lack of faith.I must confess
    though, I am guilty of listening to these guys out of boredom.Your ministry
    really helps put things in the proper perspective.Keep the faith my brother.
    Armin

    • Thank you Armin. Praise God that at least some are able to see through the haze of this false prophetic age in the church today. I also started listening to these guys years ago, and I soon realized all they want to do is get us hooked on one storyline after another, one “vision” after another, and how quickly these become our idols! The visions and the dreams have become the golden calf of the modern day church.

      My heart and soul are troubled by how many are willing to forsake all to support false visions. In the process of uplifting the false prophets, they denigrate the holy name of our Lord, and make him appear to non-believers and believers alike to be a kind of bumbling fool who simply cannot make up his mind and actually allow a SINGLE DREAM OR VISION TO ACTUALLY TAKE PLACE, out of literally tens of thousands supposedly being issued by the thousands of “prophets” all across the world today.

      I understand the argument that God “can” delay or stay a judgment. But zero out of tens of thousands actually HAPPEN? ZERO fulfillment? That is mocking God, and God will not be mocked. I get warnings all the time, that I am attacking God’s “anointed.” Honestly, it is a wicked “anointing” to just sit at a computer and start typing whatever nonsense comes into your head, and then tack on God’s name at the end. And to do the same thing over, and over, and over again for thirty years. The Bible tells us that the worst of God’s judgments is sure to come to the ones who do this. God has always from the time of creation been extremely zealous in protecting the sanctity and integrity of his holy Word. Those who play fast and loose with this holy Word of God will suffer unimaginable torment for all eternity.

      2 Cor. 11:15 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.

      And Kim Clement is without any shadow of a doubt, a horrendously wicked false prophet. Your testimony about the death he caused by falsely invoking God’s name is chilling. Thank you for bringing this to our attention. Perhaps some of the supporters of the false prophets will take notice when they see people are actually dying because of false doctrine and false testimony in the Lord’s name.

      This is what Maurice Sklar and his pal Benny Hinn do: they place their “hands of healing” over the person, and then when the person is not healed, they just blame the victim for not having “enough faith.” If people would just take the time to put down the books of the false prophets long enough to consult their Bibles, they would clearly see that having “enough faith” is not, and was NEVER, a requirement for healing to take place. Healing is ALWAYS entirely in the hands of God, and never in the hands of the patient or the human “healer.” Many times people completely lacking faith were healed in the scriptures.

      All blessings in Christ,
      JD Ellis

  3. Robert H. Sengstacke says:

    Hmm, well this has turned into a Christian love fest of sorts. Let me first say that while I do appreciate your heart in wanting to keep saints from being deceived, and it is necessary and biblical to judge prophecy I do not believe that Maurice is himself a false prophet as I’ve stated before, but at the same time I do not believe you are a false brother either and that we are all brothers in Christ. I love Maurice, I’ve known him for several years, going back to 2002. I used to live in Maurice’s basement and help out with his ministry. He is far from being perfect, but aren’t we all? Lol. Maurice has prophesied things over me that were the Lord and other times were just flat out wrong to be honest. I would say of Maurice, he needs to use a little more humility and love both with how he delivers prophetic words to people, both to individuals and to the body as a whole. I dont think it reflects the love of God which is the fruit of the Holy Spirit to say the kinds of things he’s said in this post to you and to that I would say he should repent and apologize to you my brother. I’ll say this both as someone who is a Calvinist which I believe you are, and am also a charismatic, if I may speak, if I’m wrong please correct me, but I am led to believe that you are someone who believes gifts and miracles of the Spirit have ceased and no longer operate in the church? I can understand if this has not been your background in church and are skeptical about people who claim to prophesy in the Name of the Lord and heal the sick, etc. I can honestly say I have done all of these things, and there is abuse in charismatic circles, but at the same time I dont believe abuse should legislate disuse and forbidding gifts of the Spirit either, since scripture clearly commands against that as well. As John Wimbur told Mike Bickle “Prophets need to own up to their failed prophecies.” I love your Barean spirit and I’ll be honest it is something that is lacking in some charismatic circles for sure, but I don’t think we should abandon Paul’s charge to earnestly covet and desire spiritual gifts, to not despise prophesyings, but at the same time judge prophecy. I hope and pray for both you and Maurice Sklar, as I do believe you are both sincere believers in Jesus, and that I do believe there needs to be correction in love for him and for you, but only in not going to the extreme of treating eachother as false brethren and enemies of the same faith you both believe. It is possible for prophetic people under the New covenant to miss it, Wayne Gruedem has an excellent paper on this issue, I recommend it to everyone. I hope all is well with you and Ill be keeping you and Maurice in my prayers and thoughts.

    • Thanks for the comments Robert. A very balanced response and greatly appreciated.

      I believe in the gifts of the spirit. It is one of the most common things I hear about Calvinists – that we think the Holy Spirit doesn’t give us gifts in this age. Serving, Teaching, Encouraging, Giving, Leadership, Mercy, Helps, are all gifts of the Spirit which are active today and everyone in the church will have at least one if not more of these gifts.

      I think you have to look at the intention God had for giving us a certain gift to understand if that gift is still active today. For example, in respect to the gift of prophecy, I think that was for the time before the completing of the Canon. We now have the full revelation of God in scripture so we needn’t look elsewhere than our Bibles to know what God is speaking today. Another way to say this would be to say that any prophecy today would be a direct reflection of what has already been given us in scripture. I think its pretty clear from so many verses that the Bible is sufficient for all works we are to engage in as Christians. I still think this gives room for one to feel that God is leading them to give a word to a friend or neighbor. I just don’t think there is revelation for the entire church being given by God.

      All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. 2 Tim. 3:15-17

      So my first question to one who believes God is still giving revelation today, wouldn’t that contradict his Word telling us the scripture is sufficient for every good work? Does it make sense that God would now be changing his mind about his Holy Word, and saying, in effect, well, “my scriptures are pretty comprehensive, but there’s just a lot more stuff you need to know because the world has changed a lot, and I’m going to reveal this now through the mouths of men. You will just have to be sure you listen to the right men.” Poof! There goes any sense of security we had when we thought scripture was going to be enough to get us to heaven!

      I have studied Wayne Grudem and have his Systematic Theology, a classic in the field. The only thing in the whole book I disagree with is his take on “modern day prophecy.” He thinks that prophets are for today, and that they can be “wrong sometimes.” I don’t think that fallible prophecy is God’s will, and I don’t believe in it. I think God’s plan from the beginning was to leave us a book, and its up to us whether we use it as his sole revelation, or look elsewhere. But the warnings are clear if we choose to look elsewhere: as scripture comes to a close, we are given what to me is a very ominous warning:


      18 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, 19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book. Rev. 22 18-19

      This is why it is so necessary to point out those who would lead us off of scripture and onto their human dreams and visions. It is a deadly serious matter, with souls at stake. One cannot simply just start writing things down and claiming they are from God. And then think that its enough to simply say, “well, I missed that one,” when its proven wrong. Its absolutely incredible to me how so many just ignore the clear warnings NOT to do exactly what people like this do regularly. I’ll bet you Sklar is working on his next “prophetic vision” as we speak. And no, I won’t be quiet then, either. “Hit or miss” is a deadly strategy for a Christian to follow, and there is so little biblical discernment today, that thousands will follow him off to the abyss.

      We need so much more from people who set themselves up in ministry today. They do a tremendous disservice and elevate only themselves and their ministries, and much worse, they endanger all who come in contact with their ministry..

      All blessings in Christ,
      JD Ellis

  4. Elena Nevado says:

    Dear Endtimedelusions,
    I am a Swedish woman born and grownup in Sweden that I would say is the country that belongs to one of the most unbelieving countries in God and Jesus Christ on Earth. In Sweden people mostly think you are mentally ill if you talk about God or pray to God. In other words: our ancestors the Vikings had very strong believes especially in Thor, their thunder god. But the modern Swedish people have no faith no more. Yes we have churches…and some old people still go there. But I am talking about the generations since 1940. So what I am trying to say is that I´m not coming from a religious background and personally I did not start to believe in God until I came to California for the first time in 1994. But I have been ” lukewarm” like most up until last year.
    Yesterday I came across Maurice´s prophesy about ” the big wave hitting and destroying Florida, the mark of the beast and the earthquake that will divide US etc”. And I was devastated. Because I am moving to Florida since I got married there last year to my husband who lives there.

    But I have a very important question: Can anybody tell me how it actually FEELS when they have been suddenly given the Holy Spirit that reveals visions or voices or Angels or dreams from God?

    One day suddenly something ” hit me” or ” came into my body “. I can only describe the feeling like if I suddenly was made of ” electricity “?
    It felt very powerful and like I ” suddenly knew a lot more than any normal human being “.
    And I stopped eating and sleeping completely during that week and I did not want to eat or sleep that week because ” I did not need it ” and the feeling I had was that ” I can not die”.
    And during this week I had several visions and ” instructions ” ( within my head…not really a voice ) and I could hear things and I was also ” told ” that we can communicate with animals telepathically. ……………………………(message edited by endtimedelusion for it was impossibly long to reprint here – i.e. thousands of words.)

    God Bless You
    Elena

    • Elena: Sorry for cutting your message short, but it was way too long.

      if you just read the articles at the blog you will see that I believe the Bible is God’s revelation to us, not men, and certainly not animals. I highly recommend you turn to the great wisdom in this book. Please continue to seek expert medical attention for the medications you require to keep stable and balanced. What Maurice Sklar or anyone else tells you about their supposedly Godly visions is strictly a call for attention from these men, and we needn’t give them this attention they crave.

      My prayers are with you, and may God bless you richly,
      JD Ellis

  5. Charles Folkart says:

    Your concern with the accuracy of prophetic messages is indeed commendable. As the Bible declares, there are false prophets and false teachers and false shepherds. (Note that the existence of the false or counterfeit indicates that there are real, true prophets, teachers, and shepherds (see 1 Corinthians 12:28-31). The enemy only counterfeits things that have real value.) We are commanded by dear Holy Spirit speaking through the Apostle Paul to judge prophetic utterances.

    1 Corinthians 14:29-32 (KJV): 29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge. 30 If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace. 31 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted. 32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets. 33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

    So then, how are we to judge prophecy? The standard of judgment of prophecy is always two-fold: the Word of Truth (Scripture) and the Spirit of Truth (the Holy Spirit operating in us through the gifts of the Holy Spirit as enumerated in 1 Corinthians 12). The Spirit of Truth and the Word of Truth are always in total accord. God’s Word is Spirit, it is Life, and it is Truth (John 3:34; 6:63; 14:6).

    You claim that Maurice Sklar’s prophecies are false because: “Enough people repented, so the Lord changed his mind! This disclaimer is added on somewhere in the middle of the lengthy prophetic word: This is but a fraction of what is soon to come IF there is not repentance and turning back to Me. This is the new “out” for the false prophet that is so popular these days. When what the Lord supposedly tells them fails completely to come to pass, it was because of repentance on the part of the people.”

    Your standard of judgment quoted above contradicts the Inspiration of dear Holy Spirit through the Prophet Jeremiah:

    Jeremiah 18:1-11 (KJV): 1 The word which came to Jeremiah from the Lord, saying, 2 Arise, and go down to the potter’s house, and there I will cause thee to hear my words. 3 Then I went down to the potter’s house, and, behold, he wrought a work on the wheels. 4 And the vessel that he made of clay was marred in the hand of the potter: so he made it again another vessel, as seemed good to the potter to make it. 5 Then the word of the Lord came to me, saying, 6 O house of Israel, cannot I do with you as this potter? saith the Lord. Behold, as the clay is in the potter’s hand, so are ye in mine hand, O house of Israel. 7 At what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up, and to pull down, and to destroy it; 8 If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them. 9 And at what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to build and to plant it; 10 If it do evil in my sight, that it obey not my voice, then I will repent of the good, wherewith I said I would benefit them. 11 Now therefore go to, speak to the men of Judah, and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, saying, Thus saith the Lord; Behold, I frame evil against you, and devise a device against you: return ye now every one from his evil way, and make your ways and your doings good.

    True prophetic utterance does not stem from the exercise of the intellect of the natural self-life of man. God even spoke to Balaam through his donkey, so, hopefully, some of us today can attain the same level of yieldedness to God that Balaam’s jackass had. If so, then God can still speak through us today. True prophetic utterance comes as dear Holy Spirit moves upon a man who yields his natural self-life so that the Holy Spirit can speak through him without interference from the natural intellect.

    That yielding is especially hard for those of us who are accustomed to controlling our lives and circumstances and those around us through our intellects. Such carnal christians insist on being in control instead of submitting fully in yielded obedience to the control of the Spirit of God. Carnal christians still exalt the intellect of their natural self-life above yieldedness to the Spirit of God and above obedience to the Word of God and above obedience to the Divine Super Life and Super Nature of the Resurrected Christ resident within them (Matthew 7:21; Luke 6:46).

    The process of allowing God to transform us from being children of the devil is lengthy. Jesus called it “the narrow way” (Matthew 7:13-14). Jesus told the Jews who believed into Him that if they continued in His Word they would know the truth and the truth would set them free (John 8:31-32). Free from what? Free from the idolatry of exalting the intellect of the natural self-life above the Spirit of God and above the Word of God and above the Divine Super Life and Super Nature of the Resurrected Christ resident within them.

    My prayer for you is that you may receive God’s Grace to study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth (2 Timothy 2:15).

    • To Charles Folkart:

      Your quote:

      “My prayer for you is that you may receive God’s Grace to study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth (2 Timothy 2:15)”

      I need not feel “ashamed” already, even before you utter your prayers for me. Ashamed? For warning my fellow Christians about demonic wolves who prey on the flock? Forget about it, Charles. Not even a slight twinge of shame. None at all. Its very much in alignment with scripture for me to exercise discernment and urge other Christians to do so as well.

      Your quote:

      “God even spoke to Balaam through his donkey, so, hopefully, some of us today can attain the same level of yieldedness to God that Balaam’s jackass had. If so, then God can still speak through us today. True prophetic utterance comes as dear Holy Spirit moves upon a man who yields his natural self-life so that the Holy Spirit can speak through him without interference from the natural intellect.”

      So you think that it is a biblical indication of how advanced spiritually we are as Christians if we can attain the level of “yieldedness’ as Balaam’s jackass? Discernment is not about “yielding” at all. Satan would love it if all of us would just “yield” to the false teachers and false prophets. We yield to God’s word in the Holy Scriptures. In those scriptures there is the command, not the suggestion, that we TEST THE SPIRITS of every utterance. We are endangering our own souls and those of others if we “yield” to false teaching.

      So we need to co-operate with God by “yielding” or else the Spirit cannot do his work? The Holy Spirit can speak through us whether we “yield” or not. God works out his will as he pleases, and no co-operation at all is necessary on our part. Prophets do not “become” prophets because they “hold up their end of the bargain” with God by “yielding”. That is works-based thinking.

      I too send my prayers, that you can see the darkness and evil that Satan works through false teachers, and that you will come to repent of defending these workers of iniquity. You demonstrate a brazen lack of concern for the eternal consequences for the thousands of souls soaking in the dangerous and heretical teachings of these people.

      JD Ellis

  6. Rudy Wallace says:

    I am getting a bit annoyed at the people who have dreams and visions, etc., and are very specific in what they saw/heard and when their “predictions” do not come to pass they say that people prayed for God to delay the judgment and He did. Now that’s an easy out, isn’t it? If God does give you a word, it will happen. Otherwise the so called prophet just had a string of his own thoughts and ideas and was shown to be someone to be avoided as far as end times prophecy is concerned.

    • So many people are engaging in putting thoughts and words into God’s mouth. They have no fear of the Lord. Scripture makes it clear that God zealously guards and protects his Word. The best test for “prophecy” is “did what the prophet speak of come to pass?” The fulfillment is always zero, so then to save face they have to say it was because enough people repented.

      The scary thing is that in the endtimes some of the false prophets will prophesy things which will actually happen. God allows them to have this power because he is testing us to see if we follow the “prophecies” or if we truly follow Him and His Word. (Deut. 13:1-3) This is why we need to use discernment now. If we can’t see the falsehood in blatant obvious false prophets like Maurice Sklar, Rick wiles, and Nathan Leal, we will be overwhelmed when the falsehood becomes truly deceptive.

      Blessings and thanks for commenting, Rudy.
      JD Ellis

  7. Trev says:

    JD Ellis, I am in agreement with you. I too believe in testing the spirit, the prophecy or whatever else they preach or say that sounds contrary to the very word of God. I feel many are scared to question these false prophets because they have not really read the word of God for themselves. if we just took the time to stop listening to tv evangelist and buying tapes and reading books about the word of God and simply read it in its entirety for what it says, then maybe some can hear and see the difference when they hear a false prophet speak…what prophet in his right mind states ” if you don’t believe me go ask the Holy Spirit in prayer” why? I am asking you the prophet directly but you cast judgment on me for questioning you directly and accuse me of blasphemy against God….that sounds like the Pharisees….what I don’t understand even more is how and why many Christians are remaining quiet when false prophecies are stated? Take the prophecy of Efrain Rodriguez for Puerto Rico….not one church or pastor has stood up and declared to tested the prophecy of this one individual in the island of Puerto Rico. Either they know its false and just ignore it or fear in going against it…my simple question to his site was ” who is Efrain Rodriguez and what prophecy has he stated publically that has come true for me to know that he is a prophet of God?” their reply was simply to delete my questions and statements that I found contrary to the word of God….well, I guess I have my answer from them…May the Lord make more of us like the Bereans and search everything thru the scripture to see if it’s true…be blessed

    • Another false prophet. Christ said that “many” were in the world, and that was 2,000 years ago, so just imagine how many are around today, sucking the life out of undiscerning Christians. It is tragic. But we can know that their day of reckoning will come at the last day. And their punishment will be horrific, for leading the children of God astray. Their ends will match their deeds.

      all blessings in Christ,
      JD Ellis

  8. Valerie says:

    This is an outrageous article about a dear saint of the Lord. You seem to do a lot of quoting but left out what the bible says about judging. Maurice is one of the most humble man of God I have meant who truly hears from God. He has spoken many words the Lord has given him to friends of mine who had certain issues that Maurice did not know & he addressed it to them. One of which was a condition my husband had that was only know by my husband, myself & our Dr. Not even our daughter knew. And the word from God was that he had been healed. When the spirit is not leading how can one expect to understand what God is doing thru others.

    • First of all, the Bible says much about judging, and ALL of it is how we are commanded to judge. Jesus said not to make unjust judgments but righteous judgments. (John 7:24) To not make any judgments at all would show an extreme lack of the spiritual gift of discernment.

      If you think Maurice Sklar is a humble man of God, then you are very sadly mistaken. Is this a humble man who brags that his name is written in gold letters in heaven, and that Jesus not only transported him to heaven for a personal tour, but even conducted a symphony in his honor!!!!

      He is a dangerous Pharisaic man, full of himself and his sense of self-importance. God only knows how many he will drag to hell by getting them to put down their bibles as their source of God’s truth and listen to his false revelations that he puts God’s name on. Even Maurice Sklar himself admitted after the colossal failure of his prophecy of 2005 that he “just missed it.” Please tell us how someone getting direct revelation from God can “miss it.” May the Spirit of God open your eyes to the spiritual danger you are in by listening to this man.

      This blog is dedicated to exposing the falsehood of the vain teachings of modern false prophets that their dreams and visions are guidelines by which we should live our Christian lives. Such treasures of Godly wisdom are found only in the Scriptures, which is the way God speaks to man today.

      JD Ellis

  9. Dan Carlson says:

    From Dan Carlson, Pastor, Community Bible Church of Aguila, AZ
    The assertion is made that “the Bible tells us that the canon of Scripture is closed,” meaning that God is no longer speaking authoritatively in this day and age. This says that God is not communicating to any so-called prophets today. We are therefore not to seek any further word from the Lord.

    If this is true, it carries some serious implications which affect the very nature and character of the Almighty. To be wrong on this vital issue would be a devastating position to be in. One needs to be absolutely right in their assumption that God has chosen to remain silent for the past 2,000 years. And they need to base their assumptions solidly on the Word of God.

    Has this been done? Are there clear, direct and authoritative Scriptures which confirm the total termination of direct revelation since biblical times? Or are passages taken out of context and given preconceived interpretations? If God chooses to keep silent that’s one thing, but to impose silence on Him through man-made doctrines is a travesty of the highest order. So, is there clear-cut evidence in the Bible that God has chosen to be mute?

    Revelation 22:18-19 is cited as proof that God no longer speaks in our day and age. It warns against adding to or taking away from “the book of this prophecy.”

    However, this warning is similar to ones given by previous biblical authors: “You shall not add to the word which I command you, nor take from it…” (Deut. 4:2). “Do not add to His words, lest He rebuke you…” (Prov. 30:6). Surely Moses and Solomon didn’t mean that God would no longer speak from that day on. If so, the rest of the Bible would be spurious—including all of the New Testament. So, that interpretation is in error.

    By the way, the 66-book canon didn’t suddenly pop up 2,000 years ago; it went through many changes. I have a photocopy of the 1611 KJV, and it has 80 books. It was sometime after 1611 that 14 books were scrapped.

    Furthermore, the reason the Book of Revelation is found at the end of the Bible is because it was one of the last books to be accepted. “It was not found in the Peshitta (the commonly accepted Bible) during the first five centuries” (Dictionary of the Bible, by John Davis).

    Besides, today’s canon does not include some books endorsed and recommended by authors of the Bible. Here’s a partial list: Books by prophets such as Gad, Nathan, Ahijah, Iddo, Shemaiah, Jehu, Jasher, and Enoch (1 Chr. 29:29; 2 Chr. 9:29; 12:15; 20:34; Joshua 10:13, 2 Sam. 1:18; Jude 14).

    Paul also speaks of a letter he wrote (to the Laodiceans – Col 4:16). These are historical facts, not opinions.

    Even though some of these books have survived to the present day, one reason given for not including them is because their authorship is in question. Why then have we included the Book of Hebrews, whose authorship is also uncertain?

    A major concern about the doctrine of discontinued revelation is that it effectively “shuts the mouth of God” by not allowing Him to speak beyond what He has already said in biblical times, thus denying the unchanging nature of God, as well as His omnipotence and omnipresence. This borders on blasphemy!

    It also vacates functions of the Holy Spirit, i.e. to reveal divine truth to us, teach us heavenly things, remind us, guide us, and show us things to come (1 John 2:27, 20 John 14:17, 26; 16:12-15).

    Can you imagine a loving father refusing to speak to his children simply because he had written them a letter twenty years ago which contained all the instructions they would ever need to know?
    Besides the above references, there are other passages telling us that God still wants to speak to us. And what-ever God chooses to say to us is the absolute truth (Prov. 30:5; Joel 2:28; Job 33:14-16).

    Another passage used to “prove” a closed canon is 2 Tim. 3:16: “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine…” However a literal translation of this verse says: “All writing [graphe – documents] inspired of God is profitable for doctrine…” Either way, this doesn’t make the canon a closed volume. It’s quite a stretch to make it to say that!

    One objection to an “open” canon is: “It would cause confusion and divisiveness.” How much more than we already have?

    The truth of the matter is: Jesus wants an intimate encounter with each of His children, and He assures us: “I am the good shepherd, and I know My sheep, and am known by My own… And they will hear My voice, and there will be one flock and one shepherd” (John 10:11-16 Sel.).

    True unity comes only through complete dependence on Jesus our Shepherd. His prayer for us is “that they all may be one, as You, Father are in Me, and I in You, that they also may be one in Us” (John 17:21).

    Let’s not deprive Him of speaking to us if and when He chooses by imposing on Him “closed” canon constraints.

    Thank God for the Bible! It tells us that our heavenly Father is unchanging, “With whom there is no variableness, neither shadow of turning” (Mal. 3:6; Jas. 1:17).

    And in no uncertain terms it declares that it has always been, and always will be His perfect will to communicate personally with those who seek Him with all their hearts. Isn’t only right we allow Him that privilege?

    It’s unfortunate that there are false prophets today. But that isn’t unique—they had them in profusion in biblical times as well! That’s why the Bible gives guideline and measurements to put the prophets to the test. And that’s why one of the important gifts of the Holy Spirit is the gift of discernment.

    There are also an abundance of false pastors, teachers, and evangelists! Should we do away with those ministries too? All these ministries were given to the church for a purpose:

    And He Himself [Jesus, Head of the Church] gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers [and He hasn’t stopped giving them], for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ, till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ [we still have a long ways to go]… But, speaking the truth in love, we may grow up in all things into Him who is the head—Christ… for the edifying of it-self in love [we need these Christ-given ministries to grow up!] (Eph. 4:11-16 Selected)

    There are a number of true prophets today who have paid a heavy price for their faithfulness to their calling. Allow me to mention one: Dumitru Duduman, a former pastor in Romania, and author of Through the Fire Without Burning, who underwent intense suffering in Communist torture chambers for over seven years. His prophecies have 100% accuracy—those which have been already fulfilled.

    We have no biblical excuse for denying our loving Heavenly Father and Jesus our Lord their divine right to speak personally with believers today who seek God’s face with all their hearts. Almighty God is well able to handle any problems that might come up with false ministers. After all, He has a vast amount of experience!

    • The Canon of scripture is in fact closed. Otherwise every prophetic dream of everyone who today considers himself a prophet of God would have to be formally appended to our Bibles, wouldn’t it? We can’t just let the words of God Almighty himself just fall to the ground, can we?

      I do not believe that God can’t or won’t speak to us today. I believe he won’t use human prophets today, because the reason to use human prophets ended when the canon of scripture closed. Using prophets was God’s way of communicating with man when they didn’t have a book to discern God’s will and purposes. I absolutely believe God can speak his will to me in any way he chooses to do so. I am constantly praying for him to reveal his will for my life. But for someone to stand up in the church and say “I must come forward and speak to the congregation today, for God has chosen me to be his representative and pass on truth to you folks today” is something we should all flee from. Nothing that is from God will be revealed this way. How can I be so sure? Because no human prophet has anything close to a perfect record in prophecy and the Biblical test is obviously one hundred percent accuracy. To think like Wayne Grudem, to use an example, thinks: i.e. that modern day prophecy legitimately contains an element of error, makes a mockery of genuine biblical prophecy. Biblical prophecy was God himself speaking. The human was only the mouthpiece, but the words were entirely from God.

      You give as your example Dumitru Duduman. First of all, Duduman claimed he got his prophecies from angels. So God doesn’t speak to him its spirit beings who give him information. OK, but the information the spirit beings give would have to be in total conformity with scripture, right? Duduman said among many other things that in a prophetic revelation God told him that his wife would take over his ministry. That proved false when she died shortly after. Biblically he made himself a false prophet at that moment and nothing further should have been heeded from this man from that point forward. Do you think that speaking on behalf of God is a “best two out of three” proposition? Can you please tell me one correct prophecy he uttered? Just one? And remember the biblical standard is one hundred percent accuracy or the prophet was ordered by God to be put to death. And his grandson Michael Boldea follows in his grandfather’s footsteps as a false messenger of God. Just look at the interviews Mr. Boldea does, and the websites he frequents. All the Wiles-Quayle-Leal-Perez type, who have been documented here and on other discernment blogs to be false prophets.

      You stated…”We have no biblical excuse for denying our loving Heavenly Father and Jesus our Lord their divine right to speak personally with believers today.”
      So standing up for the inerrancy of scripture and holding it to be an infinitely higher authority than any human experience to you is “denying” our loving Heavenly Father?” To me it is quite the opposite. It is standing up for the truth he has left us with, and denying the lies and deceit which emanate from the wicked human heart and masquerade as His truth.

      As to your attack on the inerrancy of the canon of scripture, in which you strongly implied that it was merely a political and human-guided process that led to what is called scripture today, and many inspired books were left out due to this haphazard process of selection, I refer you to these comments from “gotquestions.org.”

        Referring to the book of Enoch:

      The Book of Enoch is any of several pseudepigraphal (falsely attributed works, texts whose claimed authorship is unfounded) works that attribute themselves to Enoch, the great-grandfather of Noah; that is, Enoch son of Jared (Genesis 5:18). Enoch is also one of the two people in the Bible taken up to heaven without dying (the other being Elijah), as the Bible says “And Enoch walked with God, and he was not; for God took him.” (Genesis 5:24; see also Hebrews 11:5). Most commonly, the phrase “Book of Enoch” refers to 1 Enoch, which is wholly extant only in the Ethiopic language.

      The biblical book of Jude quotes from the Book of Enoch in verses 14-15, “Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men: ‘See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones to judge everyone, and to convict all the ungodly of all the ungodly acts they have done in the ungodly way, and of all the harsh words ungodly sinners have spoken against him.’” But this does not mean the Book of Enoch is inspired by God and should be in the Bible.

      Jude’s quote is not the only quote in the Bible from a non-biblical source. The Apostle Paul quotes Epimenides in Titus 1:12 but that does not mean we should give any additional authority to Epimenides’ writings. The same is true with Jude, verses 14-15. Jude quoting from the book of Enoch does not indicate the entire Book of Enoch is inspired, or even true. All it means is that particular verse is true. It is interesting to note that no scholars believe the Book of Enoch to have truly been written by the Enoch in the Bible. Enoch was seven generations from Adam, prior to the Flood (Genesis 5:1-24). Evidently, though, this was genuinely something that Enoch prophesied – or the Bible would not attribute it to him, “Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men…” (Jude 14). This saying of Enoch was evidently handed down by tradition, and eventually recorded in the Book of Enoch.

      We should treat the Book of Enoch (and the other books like it) in the same manner we do the other Apocryphal writings. Some of what the Apocrypha says is true and correct, but at the same time, much of it is false and historically inaccurate. If you read these books, you have to treat them as interesting but fallible historical documents, not as the inspired, authoritative Word of God.

        Referring to the book of Jasher:

      The question is, if the Book of Jasher is mentioned in the Bible, why was it left out of the canon of Scripture? We know that God directed the authors of the Scriptures to use passages from many and various extra-biblical sources in composing His Word. The passage recorded in Joshua 10:13 is a good example. In recording this battle, Joshua included passages from the Book of Jasher not because it was his only source of what occurred; rather, he was stating, in effect, “If you don’t believe what I’m saying, then go read it in the Book of Jasher. Even that book has a record of this event.”

      There are other Hebrew works that are mentioned in the Bible that God directed the authors to use. Some of these include the Book of the Wars of the Lord (Numbers 21:14), the Book of Samuel the Seer, the Book of Nathan the Prophet, and the Book of Gad the Seer (1 Chronicles 29:29). Also, there are the Acts of Rehoboam and the Chronicles of the Kings of Judah (1 Kings 14:29). We also know that Solomon composed more than a thousand songs (1 Kings 4:32), yet only two are preserved in the book of Psalms (72 and 127). Writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit in the New Testament, Paul included a quotation from the Cretan poet Epimenides (Titus 1:12) and quoted from the poets Epimenides and Aratus in his speech at Athens (Acts 17:28).

      The point is that the divine Author of the Bible used materials chosen from many different sources, fitting them into His grand design for the Scriptures. We must understand that history as recorded in the Bible did not occur in isolation. The people mentioned in the Bible interacted with other people. For example, though the Bible is clear that there is only one God, the Bible mentions a number of the gods people worshipped both within Israel and in the nations around. Similarly, as in Acts 17:28 and Titus 1:12, we sometimes find secular writers being quoted. This doesn’t mean that these quoted writers were inspired. It simply means they happened to say something that was useful in making a point.

      There is a book called “The Book of Jasher” today, although it is not the same book as mentioned in the Old Testament. It is an eighteenth-century forgery that alleges to be a translation of the “lost” Book of Jasher by Alcuin, an eighth-century English scholar. There is also a more recent book titled “The Book of Jashar” by science fiction and fantasy writer Benjamin Rosenbaum. This book is a complete work of fiction.

      Another book by this same name, called by many “Pseudo-Jasher,” while written in Hebrew, is also not the “Book of Jasher” mentioned in Scripture. It is a book of Jewish legends from the creation to the conquest of Canaan under Joshua, but scholars hold that it did not exist before A.D. 1625. In addition, there are several other theological works by Jewish rabbis and scholars called “Sefer ha Yashar,” but none of these claim to be the original Book of Jasher.

      In the end, we must conclude that the Book of Jasher mentioned in the Bible was lost and has not survived to modern times. All we really know about it is found in the two Scripture quotations mentioned earlier. The other books by that title are mere fictions or Jewish moral treatises.

      I strongly recommend reading the books of Dr. Michael J. Kruger on the Canon. (“The Question of Canon” and “The Canon Revisited”. He dispels many of the notions that are all too common today that the canon as we know it today is unreliable and contains only those books that “won” acceptance, as if it were some kind of political battle that took place entirely on the human level to decide which books were included.

      As to worshipping scripture, the passage you quote is not at all a “warning” by Jesus to “beware” of holding too tightly to scripture. That would be entirely contradictory to the bible’s message. Jesus meant that the searching of those who refuse to find Christ in the scriptures is futile, because it lacks the enlightenment of the Spirit. Those who follow the letter of the law receive death. Those who follow the Spirit receive life. (See 2 Cor. 3:6) These were people who knew the scriptures, but did not know the son, nor did they have a heart for knowing him. They thought that mere rote memorization and recitation in public of scriptures was enough for salvation. Jesus was in effect saying “no man goes to the Father except through me.”

      I am very alarmed by your serious denigration of the inerrancy of scripture Pastor Carlson.

      JD Ellis

    • Dan Carlson says:

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      Endtimedelusion commented on Maurice Sklar Strikes the Mother Lode in False Prophecy. In response to Dan Carlson

      [From Dan Carlson – to JD Ellis, 1/30/15) Thank you from the bottom of my heart for being willing to engage in a discussion with me about the subject of “continuous revelation.” You are more honest than many, and I respect you for that. I also respect your opinions. Having said that, allow me to make comments [placed in brackets] to your various statements. Again, thank you for your courtesy.]

      The Canon of scripture is in fact closed.

      [This is a popular and widely held belief which is unsupported by any clear-cut Scripture references, and can only be bolstered by reading into it private interpretations.

      [It also depends on your understanding of the words “canon” and “Bible.” The pertinent definition of “canon” is “a list of the books of the Holy Scriptures officially accepted by a church as genuine.” And what “church” primarily selected the books which would be included? Mainly the Church of Rome, but with further input by Luther’s Reformation and the Church of England. Even when the KJV first came out in 1611, there were 80 books in the Bible, not just 66. (I have a photographic copy of it in my library.) So the “canon” has been in a state of flux over the centuries. The origin of the word “Bible” is from Greek biblia, meaning a little book, and “the sacred book of Christianity; the Old Testament and New Testament; the Roman Catholic (Douay) Bible also includes the Apocrypha.”

      [As to the canon being closed, by whose authority? Was it the Great God Jehovah who decreed, “No more shall be added to My Holy Writ from henceforth and forever”? Or was that man’s idea—as though God had run out of things to say to His children? I propose that it was strictly man’s idea—not God’s. You already have my take on the warning given by John in Revelation 21:18. This was in essence a “do not tamper” caveat, which had been used previously—twice in Deuteronomy and once in Proverbs.]

      Otherwise every dream or gut feeling of everyone who today considers himself a prophet of God would have to be formally appended to our Bibles, wouldn’t it? [Why?] We can’t just let the words of God Almighty himself just fall to the ground, can we?
      [A provocative thought indeed!]

      I do not believe that God can’t or won’t speak to us today. [I fully agree with this statement.] I believe he won’t use human prophets today,

      [You are entitled to your convictions – but that belief is nowhere expressly supported by Scripture—except by giving a preconceived slant to their intended meaning.]

      …because the reason to use human prophets ended when the canon of scripture closed.

      [That assumption has zero support from the Bible itself – when verses are read in their proper context. If there are any, please bring them to my attention!]

      Using prophets was God’s way of communicating with man when they didn’t have a book to discern God’s will and purposes.

      [NT believers had the OT Scriptures which they frequently quoted. But they did not interpret these as having closed the door forever on more revelation or on the ministry of prophets. If they had, we would not have much of the New Testament today. Furthermore, for well over a thousand years after Christ came, the common people did not have access to the Bible, or any book. How did God speak to them then? Through their priests—many of which were rotten to the core)?

      [Furthermore, where in the Bible does it say God chose to limit His willingness to communicate with man to a single book? Or that He has nothing more to say to His children? Or that regardless of how far they stray from truth and righteousness, He will send no more prophets to warn them or to sound the trumpet? If so, then God has diametrically changed His ways!]

      I absolutely believe God can speak his will to me in any way he chooses to do so. I am constantly praying for him to reveal his will for my life.

      [Mr. Ellis, I applaud you for being in earnest about seeking God’s will in your life! And for acknowledging that He can do so in whatever way He chooses. One of the differences between us is that I believe He still chooses to communicate in ways He has always done in the past. And since His nature is unchanging, one should expect Him to continue revealing Himself in ways that are consistent with His sovereign nature. Besides, there is zero biblical evidence that He has chosen to do otherwise.]

      [And how did the Lord choose to communicate in times past? Through dreams, visions, heavenly messengers, Holy Spirit inspiration, and personal face-to-face appearances. Does He do so today? Absolutely! He appeared to my wife—not in a dream or a vision, but in real life! She doesn’t say that boastfully, in fact, she rarely talks about it. The remarkable truth is that in our day and age Jesus has appeared to literally millions of people. There are newspaper reports of entire Muslim communities having the Lord Jesus appear to each of them in dreams on the same night!

      [This story made national news in this all-Muslim country (of Ukraine/Croatia). One night a man went to sleep and the Lord Jesus appeared to him and told him who He was, saying, “I am Jesus Christ and I died for your sins.” Jesus went on to tell him some other things leading him to salvation. When this man awoke out of the dream he knew he had seen the real risen Lord and that Allah was not the true and living God. You must also understand that in all Muslim countries some of these precious people can be killed for professing Jesus Christ. Regardless, after he awoke, they reported that he went to a place to eat and started telling people about how he had seen this man named Jesus in a dream the night before in his sleep. “Who has heard such a thing? Who has seen such things? Shall the earth be made to give birth in one day? Or shall a nation be born at once?” (Isa. 66:8). As he told others in that Muslim country, everyone he spoke to had seen Jesus that same night in a dream. Come to find out on the international news, everyone in this whole Muslim nation had been visited by Jesus on the same night in one day (Is 66:7-9). (Sourced from Appearances of Jesus by D.E. Taylor)

      But for someone to stand up in the church and say “I must come forward and speak to the congregation today, for God has chosen me to be his representative and pass on truth to you folks today” is something we should all flee from.

      [This is not a new phenomenon by any means. In 1st Corinthians, chapters 12 and 14, the Apostle Paul addresses that very issue extensively, and gives explicit direction on how to handle the “manifestations” of tongues and prophecy spoken in a congregational setting. And that is why one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is discernment—very essential in our day!

      [As to your next comment, “we should all flee from,” how does that line up with Paul’s directive, “Despise not prophesying”? You might say that it does not apply today because it was pre-cannonical, but that again is your personal assessment – not direct Bible teaching.]

      Nothing that is from God will be revealed this way. How can I be so sure? Because no human prophet has anything close to a perfect record in prophecy and the Biblical test is obviously one hundred percent accuracy.

      [History can teach us a lot. How God revealed His omnipotent nature in the past is a good indicator of how He wants to reveal Himself to us today. To say otherwise is to accuse God of being fickle and changeable—which He is not!

      [So, Bible prophets had a perfect record in prophecy? How about Jonah repeating this prophecy over and over for a full day? “Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown/overturned/destroyed,” (no ifs, ands, or buts, or repentance, or other conditions spelled out). If Jonah were not a Bible champion, our modern-day mindset would come down hard on him, accusing him of being a false prophet and a deceiver. But since he’s safely protected within the covers of The Book, he gets a break. Here is a sampling of some other “failed” prophecies in the Bible:

      [“And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed” (Genesis 26:4). God promised Abraham and Isaac that their descendants (the Hebrews) would become as numerous as the stars. Considering the number of stars there are in the universe, that would be on the order of 1024 Jews (one septillion or more, a “1” followed by twenty-four zeros.]

      [Of course, that was an example of the literary use of hyperbole. But if a contemporary prophet were to use a similar figure of speech, he would be given no slack. He would be condemned and “stoned” on the spot!

      [Here’s another one: “Behold, therefore, I am against thee, and against thy rivers, and I will make the land of Egypt utterly waste and desolate, from the tower of Syene even unto the border of Ethiopia. No foot of man shall pass through it, nor foot of beast shall pass through it, neither shall it be inhabited forty years” (Ezekiel 29:10-11).

      [At no time in recorded history do we find Egypt uninhabitable for 40 years. And if a contemporary “prophet” were to utter such a prediction today, he would be the laughing stock of Christendom. But this was the major prophet, Ezekiel—in the Bible—and no one dares put him to the same test they would put any modern-day prophet.

      [There are many others, but I’ll give just one more example—this one from the prophet Isaiah: “Awake, awake; put on thy strength, O Zion; put on thy beautiful garments, O Jerusalem, the holy city: for henceforth there shall no more come into thee the uncircumcised and the unclean.”

      [“For henceforth (from then on).” To this very day there are a multitude of unclean and uncircumcised people trampling the beautiful city of Jerusalem—from tourists to terrorists to godless agnostics.]

      To think like Wayne Grudem, to use an example, thinks: i.e. that modern day prophecy legitimately contains an element of error, makes a mockery of genuine biblical prophecy.

      [What do you suppose was the purpose of “The School of the Prophets” in the OT, (1 Sam. 10:5-6; 19:19-24; 2 Kings 3:3, 15; 9:1-3) if not to teach them how to give prophecy more accurately? It was a learning process.

      [I must confess I once tried my skills in prophesying. (This was some sixty years ago.) I had a friend from Bible-school days who was in the hospital dying of cancer. I wrote her a letter in which I stated, “You shall live and not die, and declare the works of the Lord.” The letter was returned to me unopened, with the notation, “Deceased.” I was, of course, saddened by her passing, but relieved that I hadn’t been discovered as a false prophet. I should have been raked over the coals, or taken to a party and gotten stoned.]

      Biblical prophecy was God himself speaking. The human was only the mouthpiece, but the words were entirely from God.

      [Not only Biblical prophecy, but all true prophecy is the Lord Himself speaking through human mouth-pieces (as you put it), or through heavenly messengers, dreams, visions, or first-hand encounters. He has never stopped speaking throughout all these generations. Although God’s utterances are always perfect, they are transmitted through imperfect messengers to less than perfect people who have imperfect understandings.]

      You give as your example Dumitru Duduman. [Congratulations on getting his name spelled right.] First of all, Duduman claims he gets his prophecies from angels. So God doesn’t speak to him its spirit beings who give him information. OK, but the information the spirit beings give would have to be in total conformity with scripture, right? Duduman said among many other things that his wife would take over his ministry. That proved false. Biblically he made himself a false prophet at that moment and nothing further should have been heeded from this man from that point forward.

      [Here you have me stumped. I have searched through Dumitru’s book, Through the Fire Without Burning, and his recorded visions, for every reference to his wife, and I didn’t come up with a single reference that even remotely approximates a prophecy that she would take over his ministry. So, could you please clue me in as to where you got that and give me the quote if possible. I honestly suspect he was either intentionally or unintentionally misquoted—after all, English was not his native tongue. He could hardly speak it at all.

      [We’re talking about a very humble man who suffered greatly for smuggling Bibles into Romania and Russia. He was often caught, beaten—sometimes to within an inch of his life—suffered unspeakable torture, had his fingers squeezed into doorjambs, was beaten unconscious on several occasions, deprived of sleep for days on end, thrown into a freezing dungeon with practically no clothing or blankets, had several ribs broken, forced to submit to an evil experiment of truth-telling electronic equipment and brain-washing techniques to wipe out all vestiges of belief in God—fourteen years of inhuman, sadistic torture!

      [I’m sorry, but I can’t dismiss him that easily as being a false prophet. I would be thoroughly ashamed of myself. I fear God and don’t speak lightly of His anointed servants. Yes, in the end, the Lord gave Him the victory over his enemies and he was eventually forced to leave Romania with his family as a persona non grata—on the very year, month, day and hour that the archangel Gabriel had foretold.]

      Can you please tell me one correct prophecy he uttered? Just one?

      [Okay, Here’s one: On August 10, 1991, an angel came to Dumitru and told him things that would soon happen. Saddam Hussein would restart a war. His plan was to go against Israel and use nuclear weapons of mass destruction, but the United States would intervene. Saddam Hussein died 12/30/2006. He never got to launch weapons of mass destruction against Israel.

      [This next one took one year to be fulfilled: Dumitru was told by Gabriel that revolutionaries in Romania would oust Communist president Nicolae Ceausescu, which happened on December 22, 1989, eventually bringing a sense of greater freedom to that beleaguered nation.

      [This last one has not happened yet, but seems close on the horizon of something soon to occur:

      [It will start with the world calling for peace. Then there will be an internal revolution in America—instigated by the Communists. Some people will start fighting against the Government. While the Government is being occupied with this internal revolt, then America will be attacked from the oceans, from Russia, Cuba, Nicaragua, Central America, Mexico—and two other unidentified countries. The Russians will bomb the nuclear missile silos. America will burn.]

      And remember the biblical standard is one hundred percent accuracy or the prophet was ordered by God to be put to death.

      [I’ve already shown that not all biblical prophecies were 100% literally accurate. Jonah’s doom prophecy over Nineveh didn’t happen in the 40-day time-frame allotted. It happened over a hundred years later when a new godless generation lived in the city. Should Jonah have been put to death because the inhabitants of the city repented? And other Bible prophecies may yet be fulfilled in the future, but their expected fulfillment was thousands of years off.]

      And his grandson Michael Boldea follows in his father’s footsteps as a false messenger of God. Just look at the interviews Mr. Boldea does, and the websites he frequents. All the Wiles-Quayle-Leal-Perez type, who have been documented here and on other discernment blogs to be false prophets.

      [I don’t know anything about the Wiles-Quayle-Leal-Perez type, except what I read in your blog. Neither do I know anything about Maurice Sklar, again, except what you have posted. But I do know Michael Boldea and the Hand of Help Ministry which he heads up. In fact, my wife has dedicated most of her spare time to gathering up discarded clothing which she washes, mends,and packs into boxes to be shipped to the orphanages and poor people Hand of Help ministers to in Romania. Last year our church sent an entire semi-load of clothing, especially blankets, to these orphanages.

      [So, whatever bad things you believe about this evil man, maybe God will have mercy on him because of his hands-on concern for these widows and orphans. I can tell you this much. He doesn’t put a prophetic ministry anything like a priority in his life. In fact, he accused me of being one of those “prophecy buffs” when I asked him what he thought might be the outcome of the Obama presidency. Of course, it was all in friendly jest.]

      You stated…”We have no biblical excuse for denying our loving Heavenly Father and Jesus our Lord their divine right to speak personally with believers today.”

      [You becha! I’d stake my life on it!]

      So standing up for the inerrancy of scripture to you is “denying” our loving Heavenly Father?”

      [You bring up a good point! But I don’t know if I even used the word “inerrancy.” That’s a bit above my pay grade. If you mean by inerrancy that there are absolutely no errors in the King James Version of the Bible, then we can discuss that in greater depth. But if you mean the inerrancy of the non-existent “original autographs,” then I would have to say your belief cannot be addressed objectively. It has to accepted purely on faith. But if you are one of those KJV-only buffs—which I don’t think you are because I believe you quote from other versions—then I am prepared to address the subject, having done a bit of research on it.

      To me it is quite the opposite. It is standing up for the truth he has left us with, and denying the lies and deceit which emanate from the wicked human heart and masquerade as His truth.

      [The issue isn’t so much the idea of inerrancy of scripture that bothers me as the concept of sola scriptura—in other words, a closed canon. To me that’s an affront on the holy and sovereign nature of Father God, who longs to communicate with His children in the most intimate and positive ways, but is no longer allowed to—at least not in any meaningful way. It’s like putting these words in His mouth: “Don’t expect to hear from Me; go read your Bible; that’s the only way you’re going to hear from Me.” My premise is that this idea of a closed canon is totally lacking in scriptural support.]

      As to your attack on the inerrancy of the canon of scripture, in which you strongly implied that it was merely a political and human-guided process that led to what is called scripture today, and many inspired books were left out due to this haphazard process of selection, I refer you to these comments from “gotquestions.org.”

      [S. Michael Houdmann and Jason Winn of eBible.com and gotquestions.org are great Bible scholars and I get messages from them almost daily. I often put in my two-cents worth. So far, I’ve been awarded several “Teacher’s” medallions, even one or two “Apostle” awards. I’ve been surprised at their willingness to post all of my off-the-wall comments.

      [My attack, again, is on the closed nature of the canon. As though God had already given us enough revelation, and is tired of speaking to us directly. He’d rather not be bothered, so, instead He gave us a book to bottle-feed us. If your concept were supported by the Word of God, I’d have to buy into it, but it’s not—far from it! There is zero proof—if you take the Bible at face value and don’t mess with the contents—which comes any-where near dictating the cutting the lines of communication with Almighty God.]

      Referring to the book of Enoch:
      The Book of Enoch is any of several pseudepigraphal (falsely attributed works, texts whose claimed authorship is unfounded) works that attribute themselves to Enoch, the great-grandfather of Noah; that is, Enoch son of Jared (Genesis 5:18). Enoch is also one of the two people in the Bible taken up to heaven without dying (the other being Elijah), as the Bible says “And Enoch walked with God, and he was not; for God took him.” (Genesis 5:24; see also Hebrews 11:5). Most commonly, the phrase “Book of Enoch” refers to 1 Enoch, which is wholly extant only in the Ethiopic language.
      The biblical book of Jude quotes from the Book of Enoch in verses 14-15, “Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men: ‘See,the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones to judge everyone, and to convict all the ungodly of all the ungodly acts they have done in the ungodly way, and of all the harsh words ungodly sinners have spoken against him.’” But this does not mean the Book of Enoch is inspired by God and should be in the Bible.
      Jude’s quote is not the only quote in the Bible from a non-biblical source. The Apostle Paul quotes Epimenides in Titus 1:12 but that does not mean we should give any additional authority to Epimenides’ writings. The same is true with Jude, verses 14-15. Jude quoting from the book of Enoch does not indicate the entire Book of Enoch is inspired, or even true. All it means is that particular verse is true.
      It is interesting to note that no scholars believe the Book of Enoch to have truly been written by the Enoch in the Bible. Enoch was seven generations from Adam, prior to the Flood (Genesis 5:1-24). Evidently, though, this was genuinely something that Enoch prophesied – or the Bible would not attribute it to him, “Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men…” (Jude 14). This saying of Enoch was evidently handed down by tradition, and eventually recorded in the Book of Enoch.
      We should treat the Book of Enoch (and the other books like it) in the same manner we do the other Apocryphal writings. Some of what the Apocrypha says is true and correct, but at the same time, much of it is false and historically inaccurate. If you read these books, you have to treat them as interesting but fallible historical documents, not as the inspired, authoritative Word of God.

      [It just so happens that I have the Book of Enoch right in front of me. I’ve been in the process of retyping it into modern English—for my own benefit, of course. My only complaint is the very small print. I almost have to get a magnifying glass to properly see it. Enoch is one of my Bible heroes. He represents the epitome of faith, and showed us the way to overcome sin and death—by walking and talking with God!

      [Evangelical scholars are quick to trash anything that has been excluded or evicted from the closed canon. And their attack, although scholarly, is avidly biased.
      I mean by this, they don’t use the same criteria to authenticate or discard any of the canonical books. For example, the Book of Hebrews—which we are going through in our Bible studies at the present time. My NIV Amplified includes this introductory comment:
      “Author: Paul, Luke, Barnabas, Apollos, Silas, Philip, Priscilla, and others have been suggested because the name of the author is not given in the Biblical text itself.”

      [And who wrote Genesis? Did Moses write all of it? If he did, he wrote his own obituary—after the fact. Even some Evangelical scholars suggest that Moses merely collected a selection of parchments, or whatever they wrote on in those days, and then compiled them into one volume. Scholars also claim there are at least four different styles, and part of the book is a-Mosaica, meaning during Moses’ lifetime, and part of it was written post-Mosaica, meaning after Moses had died. But questions of authorship have not kept it out-of-bounds. Even though Jesus referred to it as the Book of Moses, that was how it had come to be recognized—He was not necessarily affirming its specific authorship.]

      Referring to the book of Jasher:

      [I have the Book of Jasher bound in the same volume with the Book of Enoch, but I haven’t read or studied it. So, I’m in no position to give any knowledgeable input on it, except to say it was probably excluded for the same reasons that the Book of Enoch was evicted—not based on contents or truthfulness, but on questions of authorship. But as I have already pointed out, Hebrew and Genesis are in the same boat. Did God exclude them? Or did man?

      [Mr. Ellis, thanks again for responding, and trying your best to straighten me out. Maybe you can still teach an old dog new tricks, but I wouldn’t count on it. Anyhow, God bless you and your ministry. May you have a harvest of many souls won for the kingdom of heaven! Shalom! Dan]

    • Wow. I am completely stunned by some of the assertions you make. You feel the word inerrancy should not be applied to describe scripture? You believe Jonah was a false prophet? You completely deny the structure of that prophecy which clearly reveals it to be a conditional prophecy, that UNLESS Nineveh repented, the city would be destroyed in 40 days? If you deny this, you are saying that God sent Jonah to Nineveh to lie to the citizens in his Holy name, or you are denying the authenticity of the book of Jonah as a divinely inspired book. Did Nineveh repent? Of course it did, but you want to overlook that fact, and you want to portray God’s temperance in light of great repentance to be an example of false prophecy, which is yet again a cheap attempt on your part at having everyone believe that either God’s prophets were failures, or that his Holy written word is not to be trusted. By portraying the prophecy as being failed, this fits nicely into your overall agenda to belittle the authority of the bible.

      I’ve heard this nonsense about Jonah being a false prophet before, and usually you find it on the more sleazy pseudo-Christian websites and forums, but this is the first time I’ve heard an actual PASTOR forward this absurdity. It really takes some doing on your part to overlook the fact that the prophecy concerning Nineveh was implicitly conditional. The king took it to be conditional, ordering immediate fasting and repentance, right down to the animals in the fields wearing sackcloth. Why do you suppose he would do that? Your attempt to portray Jonah as a false prophet is ridiculous. The whole story revolves around Jonah’s anger at The Lords goodness and mercy in forgiving a nation which didn’t deserve to be forgiven… and God’s glorification in the repentance of that unworthy nation. The whole reason Jonah didn’t go to Nineveh at first is because he feared God would relent if the people repented!! The book of Jonah is not a story of a “failed” prophecy. You continue to amaze me sir, but not in a positive manner.

      In fact, sir, the truth is God himself tells us clearly the conditions of every prophecy, unless otherwise clearly stated to be explicit and irrevocable:

      Jer. 18 7:10 7 If at any time I declare concerning a nation or a kingdom, that I will pluck up and break down and destroy it, 8 and if that nation, concerning which I have spoken, turns from its evil, I will relent of the disaster that I intended to do to it.

      Jonah 3:10

      10 When God saw what they did, how they turned from their evil way, God relented of the disaster that he had said he would do to them, and he did not do it.

      None of the examples you give demonstrate any failure of any biblical prophecy at all. And you accuse me of reading things that are not there into scripture?? The one about God telling Abraham that his descendants would be “as numerous as the stars” – while you admit it was hyperbole, you stick it in here as part of setting the stage for defending the inaccuracy of modern day prophecy. Of course, if you can demonstrate God’s prophets of old were inaccurate, then you can subtly extend this to be a blanket excuse for why modern day prophets are inaccurate. So it seems in your view that all prophets through the ages, from biblical times to the present, have been unreliable. Then why, please tell us, would God use prophecy at all for the purpose of revelation to his people? To tease us? To make us guess which prophecies are true and which are false? gee, you really have a dim and diminished view of God’s power if you think he is incapable of appointing messengers and successfully delivering messages to them. What a failure you make out God to be!!

      You don’t even understand the basic nature of prophecy. If you had a better understanding of what prophecy is, you would understand that prophecy cannot and will not “fail.” Could God “fail” to accomplish something he set out to do? You stated: What do you suppose was the purpose of “The School of the Prophets” in the OT, (1 Sam. 10:5-6; 19:19-24; 2 Kings 3:3, 15; 9:1-3) if not to teach them how to give prophecy more accurately? It was a learning process……..I once tried my skills in prophesying”.

      It is not a “skill” as you paint it. There is in fact no skill at all in prophecy. The “Schools of the Prophets” were communities of prophets who congregated together, sometimes following an elder prophet as their leader, but there is no biblical indication whatsoever that prophecy was a skill which could be taught to anyone. This quote from “biblestudytools.com” describes briefly what the schools were engaged in:

        The “sons” or “disciples” of the prophets were young men ( 2 Kings 5:22 ; 2 Kings 9:1 2 Kings 9:4 ) who lived together at these different “schools” ( 4:38-41 ). These young men were taught not only the rudiments of secular knowledge, but they were brought up to exercise the office of prophet, “to preach pure morality and the heart-felt worship of Jehovah, and to act along and co-ordinately with the priesthood and monarchy in guiding the state aright and checking all attempts at illegality and tyranny.”

      While there may have been some method of passing a prophetic gift or anointing from a father or teacher to a student or son in the closed prophetic communities, I sincerely doubt it involved cultivating a skill set. If the act of receiving a prophetic message from God involves the practical application of learned techniques and book study, we should have a very clear record today of how to bring forth or manifest a prophecy. What are the techniques? Surely a book on real workable techniques that would produce genuine revelation from God would be the hottest bestsellers not only at the Christian bookstores but would be runaway bestsellers on the New York Times bestseller list. Why do these so-called “techniques” linger in obscurity? Because they don’t exist, and the ones that purport to be genuine are fakes.

      You said you “tried” to prophesy once. That’s bizarre. How does one go about “trying” to prophesy? There are actually books written by Christians that propose to teach prophetic techniques, but they are nothing but New Age metaphysical nonsense, full of tips such as “make your mind go blank; breathe deeply, let the thoughts flow” etc., much like the books which purport to teach verbal and mental techniques for learning how to speak in tongues. None of these “techniques” have even the slightest effect of generating prophetic messages from God.

      Your experience with prophecy should have served as warning to you to forego any further involvement with it. Except for the fortuitous event of the letter not being opened by the person who later died after you pronounced their recovery in the letter you presented as “prophetic revelation”, you would have severely victimized and traumatized the victim and her family. All in the name of God, while trying to play around at the gift of prophecy. Nothing good comes from taking the word of God lightly. It is foremost of the ten commandments that we shall not take the name of the Lord in vain. Never open your mouth to say “thus sayeth the Lord.” It is more dangerous than playing Russian Roulette. These are the kinds of things I think we will all have to account for before the great day of judgment. Why did we desecrate the holiness of God’s word and drag it in the mud like that? Of all the sins I have committed, I do repent, but I am able to say that I will never have to repent for claiming to speak for the Lord God Almighty.

      True prophets of God were chosen by God himself, not those who acquired the skill through diligent study. In fact there were many more schools of false prophets than there were of true prophets. You could study all you wanted, but if God didn’t choose you, you were not a prophet. Prophecy is God speaking word for word, and the prophets simply mouthing the words given by inspiration from the Lord. There is no further human involvement than simply mouthing the words. I really don’t know whether to laugh or cry at this absurd proposition you make that prophecy is a skill that can be learned!

      YOU STATE:

          ….”Although God’s utterances are always perfect, they are transmitted through imperfect messengers to less than perfect people who have imperfect understandings.”

      So here again, you imply that God simply does not have the power to find a way to deliver a one hundred percent accurate prophetic message to one of his creatures. You posit that man is so fallen, so imperfect, that it puts God in a dilemma of not being able to “reach” him and get the message “delivered”. Although some human creatures seem to be as dull as donkeys, I am quite sure that the same God who delivered a clear and accurate message to a donkey would be able to deliver a clear and accurate message to even the dullest man.

      YOU STATED CONCERNING MICHAEL BOLDEA THE FOLLOWING:

        ……”I’m sorry, but I can’t dismiss him that easily as being a false prophet. I would be thoroughly ashamed of myself. I fear God and don’t speak lightly of His anointed servants”……..

      Seriously? You fear God so you won’t speak lightly of Michael Boldea, but you clearly think nothing of trashing the authority and integrity and value of his Holy Word contained in scripture? That doesn’t shame you? And you are a pastor? Amazing. Simply amazing. Dear sir, I fear that you will find God at judgment day to be far less forgiving to attacks on his own word in the Holy Bible than he will be to one who slights Michael Boldea’s word. And I suggest to you there is every reason to believe the shepherds of the flocks are going to be held to a very much higher standard than others. To whom much is given, much is expected. I think this is a very reckless path you have chosen, and I am compelled to strongly urge you to stop your slander of God’s word.

      You think that the manuscripts which resulted in our having the 66 books today are completely unreliable? You assert that the prophets of the bible were wrong so often as to be completely unreliable sources, but you think the dreams and visions of men today like Michael Boldea are to be counted on by Christians today and accepted as true revelation from God? You assert Jonah could not be relied on to deliver a true prophecy, but Michael Boldea CAN?????? You assert that God can easily give revelation to prophets of the internet today, but deny that he had the power to preserve his Holy word through the ages? That was too “tough” for him to keep his written word intact until today? Yep, keeping all those various manuscripts intact, that was just too difficult for God, wasn’t it?

        YOU STATED:

        …”

        ……..”NT believers had the OT Scriptures which they frequently quoted. But they did not interpret these as having closed the door forever on more revelation or on the ministry of prophets. If they had, we would not have much of the New Testament today….”

      What????? The NT believers didn’t close the door on more revelation? Of course not, why would they? Scripture in the apostolic age was still in the process of being written! You make no sense whatsoever.

      You go on to reason that since God is by nature immutable and unchangeable, then he must repeat any actions he previously took or else it betrays a “changing nature.” What a small box you put God in by denying him the right to do things only once! He created once, but by your reckoning, he is obligated to continue creating or else betray a “changing” nature. This is so absurd I’m not even sure if you’re just pulling my leg here, and its some kind of early April Fools Day joke. So God, even exercising all of his divine sovereignty, cannot under any circumstances stop doing things he formerly did. Wow, this is quite the education in God I’m getting here. If he chose to use prophets in the past, he is under OBLIGATION to continue doing so? In your view, God has painted himself into a corner by arbitrarily giving up the right to cease doing something he formerly did. He used a donkey to speak to someone in the past, so he is OBLIGATED to use donkeys today! He decided to flood the earth once, and said he never would do it again, but that runs against the grain of your argument of his obligation to continue all previous actions, so you don’t mention that!

      And what’s with the quibbling over authorship of the Pentateuch? Yes, the authorship might be shared. So what? Why do you make a point of this? Are you questioning its divine origin? There is no question among serious Christian scholars that this is divinely inspired scripture, despite your attempts to drag its authority into the mud. Moses was highly educated in the court of the Pharaoh of Egypt with access to all of the beneifts of the realm, and I have no problem believing he had the ability and means to write scripture. Archeology has uncovered evidence of very sophisticated writing implements at this time.

        You stated the following: ….”
        ……”Furthermore, the reason the Book of Revelation is found at the end of the Bible is because it was one of the last books to be accepted. “It was not found in the Peshitta (the commonly accepted Bible) during the first five centuries” (Dictionary of the Bible, by John Davis)……”

      No Pastor Carlson, that is untrue. The book of Revelation is the last book of the Bible because it was the last book written by John, the last living Apostle, written near the close of the first century, and thus was the last divinely inspired book to be written. Who was around after the death of John that you think was a divinely inspired author of scripture? It is the last book of the Canon, and the last verses of Chapter 22 are indeed a warning against changing by addition or subtraction anything in the Holy Scriptures. The fact that a similar warning appears twice in the O.T. does NOTHING to lessen the urgency of the warning. You just like to think God had no control over which books would be included so he inspired the writing of many books, and he allowed to be included many books which were not inspired. How convenient! So I guess that leaves pastors like you today free to decide for themselves which books to include and to revere as the genuine Word of God, and which books to snub.. Do you even care that God is warning you right there in Rev. 22 18:19 NOT to change his Holy Word?

      YOU STATED THE FOLLOWING:

        ……….”Besides, today’s canon does not include some books endorsed and recommended by authors of the Bible. Here’s a partial list: Books by prophets such as Gad, Nathan, Ahijah, Iddo, Shemaiah, Jehu, Jasher, and Enoch (1 Chr. 29:29; 2 Chr. 9:29; 12:15; 20:34; Joshua 10:13, 2 Sam. 1:18; Jude 14).

        Paul also speaks of a letter he wrote (to the Laodiceans – Col 4:16). These are historical facts, not opinions.”………

      This is completely untrue. Of your list of books, none were “recommended” or “endorsed” by authors of the Bible. They were mentioned by authors. Do you equate a mention to be the same as an endorsement? As your friend from goquestions.org Michael Houdmann explained in the quotation I included in the previous answer I wrote to you, quote:

        The Apostle Paul quotes Epimenides in Titus 1:12 but that does not mean we should give any additional authority to Epimenides’ writings. The same is true with Jude, verses 14-15. Jude quoting from the book of Enoch does not indicate the entire Book of Enoch is inspired, or even true. All it means is that particular verse is true. It is interesting to note that no scholars believe the Book of Enoch to have truly been written by the Enoch in the Bible. Enoch was seven generations from Adam, prior to the Flood (Genesis 5:1-24). Evidently, though, this was genuinely something that Enoch prophesied – or the Bible would not attribute it to him, “Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men…” (Jude 14). This saying of Enoch was evidently handed down by tradition, and eventually recorded in the Book of Enoch.

        We should treat the Book of Enoch (and the other books like it) in the same manner we do the other Apocryphal writings. Some of what the Apocrypha says is true and correct, but at the same time, much of it is false and historically inaccurate. If you read these books, you have to treat them as interesting but fallible historical documents, not as the inspired, authoritative Word of God.

      I’m sorry, but simply to be a work that is “mentioned” in the bible does not amount to an endorsement, nor does every work mentioned in the scriptures have divine authorship.

      Yes, Pastor Dan, why don’t we all just assemble a new Bible, and include all of our favorite books, and toss out all those we don’t feel any particular affinity for? We could each assemble our own bibles, and have fun trading books and chapters back and forth like school kids trading bubble gum cards. Wouldn’t that be fun?

        You stated the following
        :…..”One objection to an “open” canon is: “It would cause confusion and divisiveness.” How much more than we already have?”……….

      Yes, much more than we already have! There would be such an increase in the amount of confusion and divisiveness in the church that it would boggle the mind if anyone who thought they had a prophetic calling was allowed to add to the official Canon of the Christian church. Yes, I think the amount of confusion we have today would pale in comparison to the chaos that would reign if the Canon was still open. How would you suggest we decide whose prophecies are divinely inspired and whose prophetic dreams are simply the result of someone being motivated to get their name in the news? Or those “prophetic dreams” that are simply the result of someone going to bed with an upset stomach? Or impulsive feelings and urgings caused by stress or lack of sleep?

      And as to the matter of the book of Enoch. You claim affinity with this book because Enoch is one of your favorite biblical characters. But it doesn’t bother you that even your friend Michael Houdmann affirms that “It is interesting to note that no scholars believe the Book of Enoch to have truly been written by the Enoch in the Bible.” Yet you don’t miss a beat in casting a cloud of suspicion over the entire book of Hebrews by stating that your “NIV Amplified version” states a whole slew of possible authors. I’m sorry, I find the book of Hebrews to be one of the most interesting and vitally important books of the entire Bible, and I’m not ready to toss it out for what your “amplified” version says. Do you even know what “amplified version” means? Its jargon meant to disguise the fact that it represents entirely non-scholarly and unprofessional translational and interpretational twists to the text.

      YOU STATED THE FOLLOWING: …….”It also depends on your understanding of the words “canon” and “Bible.” The pertinent definition of “canon” is “a list of the books of the Holy Scriptures officially accepted by a church as genuine.” And what “church” primarily selected the books which would be included? Mainly the Church of Rome, but with further input by Luther’s Reformation and the Church of England. Even when the KJV first came out in 1611, there were 80 books in the Bible, not just 66. (I have a photographic copy of it in my library.) So the “canon” has been in a state of flux over the centuries. The origin of the word “Bible” is from Greek biblia, meaning a little book, and “the sacred book of Christianity; the Old Testament and New Testament; the Roman Catholic (Douay) Bible also includes the Apocrypha.”….

      This is just very poorly researched on your part, to come up with this assertion. The main bulk of the books we have today were known to be, and accepted as, divinely inspired before the fifth century. The four gospels, as well as many of the other books were completely accepted by the second century. I beg you to read Michael Kruger’s books on Canon, because you are passing on embarrassingly misinformed information if you are teaching anyone your version of the history of the Canon. The Reformation had nothing at all to do with deciding which books were included in the Canon. I don’t care about this manuscript you state you have. I’m quite sure you have something that indicates 80 books, but it is not proof or even a slight indication that the church of Jesus Christ as late as the sixteenth century was considering including 80 books in the Canon. This is complete nonsense. I repeat: I can state categorically that the Reformation played no role whatsoever in deciding which books were included in the Canon, and furthermore all the 66 books of the Canon were firmly decided many centuries before the Reformation took place. You are way off here.

      YOU STATED THE FOLLOWING:

        ……”There are also an abundance of false pastors, teachers, and evangelists! Should we do away with those ministries too? All these ministries were given to the church for a purpose:

        And He Himself [Jesus, Head of the Church] gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers [and He hasn’t stopped giving them], for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ, till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ [we still have a long ways to go]… But, speaking the truth in love, we may grow up in all things into Him who is the head—Christ… for the edifying of it-self in love [we need these Christ-given ministries to grow up!] (Eph. 4:11-16 Selected)……”

      Do away with them? What do you mean? Kill them? No. Renounce, rebuke, and condemn them openly with a loud voice to all who will listen? Absolutely!

      I will pray for you, but my most earnest prayers go out to the people who sit under your teaching, that they will not be led astray and off of the word of God and onto the myths and fables of dreams and visions of men. You will be held accountable for every soul you turn against God’s word. It is one thing for a person to write a blog which errs, but it is in an entirely different category to be a shepherd of men’s souls and lead them astray with falsehood and denigration of the authority of scripture.

      Amazed and flabbergasted that a Christian preacher can hold these beliefs, and worse, teach them to others. I’ve seen atheists show more respect for the word of God than you. This is really shameful. As to the people over at gotquesions.org, I am very familiar with their writings, and I would be extremely surprised to learn that they have endorsed any of your beliefs, since their teaching follows very much along the lines of my own beliefs. It must have been some other doctrinal point very different than the ones you are making here if they gave you any kind of thumbs up for your writing.

      I am thinking now that my next article will be on fallen pastors, and how the end times actually signal a marked increase in the deadly falling away of even those who outwardly seem to be so secure in their knowledge and respect for the Lord, even those with positions in the church. And you have given me much food for thought and inspiration to this end. God surely arranged this meeting of minds.

      God left us a book because he knew our hearts are inherently wicked, and we would strive after human experiences as our shining light, instead of the gospel. In 2 Peter Chap. 1 Peter and the other 2 apostles affirmed the written word to be the true reliable source of God’s revelation when they were on the mountain and witnessed the Transfiguration. They had just heard the actual voice of God himself, and still affirmed the written word to be a “more sure” word.

        …..we were eyewitnesses of his majesty. 17 For when he received honor and glory from God the Father, and the voice was borne to him by the Majestic Glory, “This is my beloved Son,[i] with whom I am well pleased,” 18 we ourselves heard this very voice borne from heaven, for we were with him on the holy mountain. 19 And we have the prophetic word more fully confirmed, to which you will do well to pay attention as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts, 20 knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone’s own interpretation. 21 For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit……..

      Can you say the same thing today, Pastor Carlson? Can you humble yourself to the point where you will exhalt God’s written word over your experiences, and over the experiences of others that you know? Or will you bind yourself forever, and bind those sitting under your teaching for eternity, to the grim and rotten teaching that human experience is the reliable font of revelation from God? On that terrible day, many, many shepherds of the flock will ask this question:

        ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’

      and they will hear those frightful words:

        “Depart from me. I never knew you.”

      I truly hope you repent soon, brother. Each new day on earth could be the last chance we have to do so.

      JD Ellis

  10. Gabreil Helene says:

    endtimedelusion I believed it`s 100% True what You`re saying and I`m also in Full agreement with it . So many christians today just swallow all they hear from any so Called Prophate of God .

    God Bless

    Evangelist Gabriel

    • Thanks Gabreil. God bless you in your search for truth. All we need is in the scriptures. We need no man’s vain dreams and visions.

      In Christ,
      JD Ellis

    • Daniel Carlson says:

      Aren’t we sometimes guilty of “worshipping” the scriptures as Jesus chastised the Pharisees for doing? “You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me” (John 5:39).

      I know the attached article is a little long, but it is the gospel truth through-and-through!

      On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 5:36 PM, Endtime Delusion – 2 Thessalonians 2:10-11

    • Pastor Carlson, I think you have a seriously flawed view of scripture and the basis for its inerrancy. The “other” extra-biblical books you mentioned in your previous comment were not included in the Canon for very good reasons – they all contain error. God was quite capable of getting the books he wanted included in the Canon, and we don’t need to worry that some books he “wanted” included were left out.

      Please give a link for the article you wish me to read. There was no link.

      Please check back in a day or two and I will give a detailed answer to both your comments.

      God bless,
      JD Ellis

  11. Elizabeth says:

    You are always right. Are you not? willing to take anyone on, all the while being quite disrespectful… my word to you. Spend more time with the Lord, in silence, waiting and listening.much more time. and less time seeking to tear others down. You are a self appointed ‘ watchdog of the kingdom’. but perhaps you are, in your concerns more destructive than you would have hoped, out of deep concern, of course. spend your time telling others about the work of the Cross, and the world will be better for it, I don’t even need scriptures to quote here. smiley face. Shalom.

    • We are all “watchdogs of the Kingdom” . Some of us don’t know or don’t care that a teacher shouldn’t exalt himself and his ‘loving deeds’ and claim Christ ” honored” him in heaven. You and many others will blissfully try to enter thru the wide gate.

      JD Ellis

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