Claiming to Know the Mind of God – Rick Wiles and Trunews

Rick Wiles Continues To Lead His Flock Down the Pathway of Dreams

“I have heard what the prophets have said who prophesy falsely in My name, saying, ‘I had a dream, I had a dream!’ How long? Is there anything in the hearts of the prophets who prophesy falsehood, even these prophets of the deception of their own heart, who intend to make My people forget My name by their dreams which they relate to one another, just as their fathers forgot My name because of Baal?  Jer. 23 26-27 NASB

The amount of fraud, deception, and manipulation which takes place in the church today under the pretence that it is the work of the Holy Spirit, is truly staggering. The gifts of the spirit are being counterfeited. Outright lies are peddled from internet ministries in their broadcasts and dressed up as special revelation from God. The gift of prophecy, a thing of excellence in its uncorrupted state, is being degraded into a morass of dream interpretation. The gospel and the risen Christ take a back seat to showmanship in this circus of vanity and puffery, as the ministers responsible seek the prophetic glory for themselves and their ministries.

The Bible is quite clear in stating that we cannot ever know the mind of God. God’s ways are not our ways. Scripture is also clear that human dream interpretation, when used by us as an attempt to discover what the future holds, is an occultic practice akin to divination, and thus is an abomination to the Lord. Why then is there such a large movement thriving in Christian ministries today, especially on the internet, telling us that we can use our dreams and visions to accurately determine what God’s plan is for a city or a country or a people? And further than this, that we can use the dreams and visions of others who we do not know and will never meet, to come to this determination, and complete the abomination by putting God’s name on all of it? Why are dreams being given out to the body of believers in churches and ministries as spiritual direction and advice?

This  movement in the church today is leading Christians to believe that the thoughts inside their own heads are not only revelation from the Father Himself, but also represent His personal directions to each of us. People change jobs, move to different locations, even different countries, because of what someone else’s dream revealed, believing it to be a revelation from God. While the Holy Spirit is certainly capable of revealing something to us, and God can and does give us direction in our personal life situations, great caution needs to be used before just indiscriminately passing on to the whole body of believers the dreams of people as special revelation from God. This is one of the most telling signs of apostasy in the church today, and is antichrist in nature. For what is the spirit of antichrist? It is the elevation of humans to a position to receive the glory that is only due to the Father.

The ministers who tell us they know the future are usurping something that only belongs to God. They want themselves and their ministries to be the focus of attention. They love it when the internet chat rooms and forums are abuzz with talk about what was revealed on their programs about the future. They want you to believe the power lies in them to tell you what you must do. They want to be your survivalist counsellors in helping you to plan your escape from what they tell you is coming. Fellowshipping with our brothers in sisters in Christ and spreading the good news of the gospel don’t factor very highly with the prophets of doom. They know they can get alot more attention by telling us when the calamity is coming and how to escape it than by preaching the risen Christ..

Selling Dreams Can Be Very Good For The Bottom Line

The people who run these internet ministries also have a great deal of financial expertise. They know that to keep a steady flow of donations coming in to their ministries they need to dangle the carrot to the listeners that their shows reveal the future. In all of history, nothing has held more sway over the emotions of man than the idea that some of us can know the future, and if we just listen to the right people, we too can acquire this knowledge. Careful listening to their programs is required, they say, as God unfolds this drama to them on a weekly basis. Their ministries are built in the thorny soil of human visions and dreams, and yet they portray themselves as staunch defenders of the faith and purveyors of wisdom to today’s Christians.

They understand what is written in 2Timothy 4:3:

For the time is coming when people will not endure sound[a] teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions.

Ministries like this know this rule: that the vast majority of people want to hear something that suits their own passions rather than sound biblical teaching. The shephards  are more interested in elevating and exalting themselves and their ministries than in just delivering the gospel to a broken world. They have a better, newer, more modern plan for what the church should be doing in the endtimes. Lets all log and evaluate and compare our dreams, they say. This, they think, will be a good way to know God’s mind. Placing our hearts and our values on these things of the human mind is not a way to know the Lord. Instead of looking at our lives with eternity in mind, they would have us all just plot ways to save ourselves from suffering in this world and escape God’s judgement in these hard times ahead. These people have something to sell you, and its not the Gospel.

Yet in like manner these people also, relying on their dreams, defile the flesh, reject authority, and blaspheme the glorious ones. Jude 1:8 ESV

Rick Wiles Presents a New Showcase of Dreams

A case in point that serves as an example of just how fruitless this practice can be is Rick Wiles of the Trunews ministry. Rick Wiles has a 14 year history of claiming that God reveals to him, along with certain guests and listeners of his radio program Trunews,  intimate details of His judgements and plans for future judgement on divinely specified areas of the world.  This revelation is supposedly granted to Mr. Wiles and friends for the most part through dreams and visions. He often speaks about spending time in fasting and prayer, and this, he tells us, allows greater communication with God about future events.

Some may be familiar with his claim that the Holy Spirit came to him in a time of fasting and reflection in early 2010, and revealed to him that America would be devastated by a nuclear explosion in the last three months of 2010. We can only wonder how many of his listeners took his words at face value and fled from the country, deeply scarring and uprooting their families, all because of a man’s vision being represented as revelation from God. No apology ever came for that fiasco, and Mr. Wiles is back at it again, hoping people have short memories.

On May 24th 2012 Mr. Wiles released a group of what he labels “prophetic dreams”, http://www.trunews.com/may2012.htm , but this time he has been quite deliberate about stating these are the dreams of people he has been in contact with, not his own dreams. He is seemingly not getting prophetic dreams himself, or if so, is not releasing them to us, but is able with great conviction to state that this group of dreams from others is revelation from God. Carefully he sets the bait, and then makes sure he has an out. The “out” here being, of course, that when none of this comes to pass, he can defiantly announce to his audience: “listen, folks, I told you clearly at the time that these were not my dreams.”

Prophecy by Majority Rule

Wiles is like many on the internet these days in making great presumptions and unbiblical leaps in logic. Listen to this excerpt from the recent Trunews “revelation” dated May 24th, 2012:

God commissioned me that day in April 1998 to warn the American people that time was running out for this nation to repent and return to obey God’s commandments and ways. I have spent the last 14 years in full-time ministry proclaiming that message.

Since the beginning of 2012, I have detected a marked intensity in the warnings from God. They are coming to me from various sources and ways. Many people are experiencing disturbing dreams. Others are seeing visions. In recent weeks the warnings have taken on an alarming new level of urgency. Reports of prophetic dreams and visions are flooding into our offices daily in recent weeks. Without a doubt, I am convinced that one or more catastrophic events will strike the USA before the end of 2012.

“Reports of prophetic dreams and visions are flooding into our offices daily in recent weeks.” Is that what true prophecy is about today? Is it prophecy by concensus? Where in the Bible do we find any kind of link between what the majority of a group of people are dreaming, and true revelation from God? If we are claiming any dreams to be divine revelation, on what basis are we to assume that themes that recur frequently among groups of people are likely to be more “accurate” than a single prophetic dream given to one sole person would be? Does God do more preparation before sending a prophetic dream to a group of people than when he sends a dream to only one? Is the Lord less careful paying attention to detail when sending prophecy to a smaller audience then when He releases something to a wider number of recipients?

The Unbiblical Assumption That Bad Things Happen To Bad People

The assumption that underpins all of the doomsday preaching and “prophetic warnings” today is that bad things happen to bad people. (And inversely, that good things happen to good people.) If we repent, we may stay the course of God’s judgement, they tell us. America is certainly being judged, according to these ministers, because, well, just look at how wicked it is. For these people, it is written in stone that God always brings hardship to wicked people, and makes smooth the pathway for the “righteous.” Lets look at how well this holds up to what Scripture teaches.

In the book of Job, we see a wonderful story of faith that endures through good times and bad. When Job was afflicted with so many setbacks, three of his friends came to him and pronounced that surely God must be displeased with him. Previously, when things went well with Job, these same people thought surely he must be a righteous man because of his great wealth. These human judgements that the three friends made were clearly wrong. Why do we think today we can determine any better than in the time of Job what is God’s judgement, and what is not? Too many today are quick to point out the sins of others, or even the governments of the world, and rush to say that they are so wicked God must be sending judgement upon them. We cannot know this. For anyone to state categorically that any particular event is judgement from God is tenuous and unbiblical enough, but to label events that have not even occurred yet as His judgement is an even further leap.

When Jesus passed a man who had been blind from birth, his disciples asked Him “who sinned, this man or his parents?” Jesus responded that it was not either him or his parents who had sinned. It was so that the works of God may be displayed. God has a way of making things that we think are so horrible work out for His glory, and for our good.

Likewise in the gospel of Luke we read about the tower in Siloam that fell and killed eighteen. Jesus left no doubt that this calamity did not fall on them because their sin was any worse than that of others. These doomsayers who think all calamity is about to come crashing down because of the sin of the nation would do well to learn the lesson Jesus was teaching here.

Scripture tells us that God is kind even to evil people. (Luke 6:35) Many of the people afflicted in the worse ways by calamity like storms, earthquakes, economic downturns, political upheaval and bloodshed are the God-fearing and kind among the population. These are the ones you see praising God after the storm hits. To think that the Christian life is an assurance of easy times is not Scriptural.

Romans 3:10 tells us:

There is no one righteous, not even one.

In God’s eyes, we are only righteous because of the completed work of Christ on Calvary. It is not because we have struggled to be good that God has given us His blessing. Likewise, it is not because we have struggled with sin that we find ourselves facing hardship. We receive blessings and face hardship for the same reasons: because we are believers who live in a fallen world, and God is working on a plan for us that is far grander than anything we can conceive with our minds. Hardship can come to us for any number of reasons, but we can be assured that God is in total control. In the same manner, when blessing comes our way, it does not necessarily come in the form of an earthly material reward. It comes in the form of eternal life, and all of God’s assurances that He will never foresake us.

……..the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong. ……..time and chance happen to them all.” Ecclesiastes 9:11

The point is, we must all repent, or we will surely die. That repentance doesn’t come on our own terms, that we dictate to God, asking for assurances that evil things will not come our way. Our repentance cannot be based in any way on ourselves or our wants, or it is ineffectual and worthless.

The Ruse Of “Unless God Intervenes”

Here is another excerpt from the “warning dreams” released May 24th 2012 by Rick Wiles’ ministry:

Several days ago I received three more prophetic dreams from two people who listen to the Trunews radio program. They arrived in my email box simultaneously. I was stunned by the dire warnings of imminent judgment, bloodshed, and captivity. Unless God intervenes, I do not believe the USA will be a free nation beyond November 2012.

Well, lets look at this closely. The thing that stands out right away is the phrase “unless God intervenes.” This obviously is inserted in here in case nothing that can be tied to the dreams happens. It can be pronounced with great authority that God changed His mind, because enough people repented to stay His hand of judgement. This is a convenient escape clause which allows modern day prophets to deny any responsibility for their false prophecies. If it doesn’t happen then we, through our great efforts and righteous works, convinced God to change His plan. Wouldn’t the Lord have known the people would repent, and at least have issued the prophecy as being conditional?  I don’t see anything in any of the dreams that would indicate that was the case with these prophetic dreams. In the Old Testament the prophecy given to Jonah concerning Nineveh was clearly issued from God as a conditional prophecy. Is there a way of telling if any of these dreams are conditional prophecies? But I guess if the dreamers and their representatives tell us they are conditional, then it must be so.

Is the part that says  “beyond November 2012”  a phrase that God used or that man inserted in an interpretation inspired by the human mind? God gave a maximum time frame limit of November? Where was that in any of the dreams? Is this from God or is this a hodgepodge mixture of divine revelation with the human mind jumping in to provide details?

The next thing to note is this statement that these dreams arrived in his inbox from listeners to his show. He takes these dreams from people he doesn’t even know, other than that they listen to his show, and without a moment’s hesitation, he elevates this information  to stand alongside scripture in terms of authority. Since he is presenting it to be from the Lord, then it would have the same legitimacy as the Bible itself. Since he is suggesting leaving the country as a possible option for many, surely there must be a solid grounding behind these dreams or this would be a highly irresponsible act. But does the Bible itself encourage this kind of thing? This in my view is akin to those heretical churches around these days which allow anyone in the church  to step forward in front of the congregation, and relate as genuine revelation from God, whatever happens to be on their minds.

Yes, this is what the LORD Almighty, the God of Israel, says: “Do not let the prophets and diviners among you deceive you. Do not listen to the dreams you encourage them to have. Jer 29:8

When Wiles says “I do not believe the USA will be a free nation beyond November 2012”, he is clearly setting a timeline for these events. Further, to make it perfectly clear that this is prophecy with a date, he goes on to say:

Christian men and women are privately telling me that God is strongly telling them to have everything in place in July or August. Many of them are selling everything and fleeing the USA.

The second date is fall 2012. Many of the dreams and visions indicate that great woe is coming to the USA in November – notably shortly after the presidential election. In particular, many of the prophetic dreams hint at trouble during the Thanksgiving holiday season.

For a ministry to be setting timelines for the occurrance of events depicted in dreams is so far removed from what we as believers in the church today should be doing. If there was actually a divinely dictated timeframe for these events, I find it highly unlikely the Lord would deliver prophecy using vague periods of time like “July or August” or “the fall of 2012” or “shortly after the presidential election.” You see here how the human feels free to jump right in on the prophecy and inject his own details. Wouldn’t a real dream sent by the Lord Himself be something to be honored and left in its original, uncorrupted state?

This is an example of the great apostasy that is occurring today in our churches and ministries, which was spoken of by the apostles in the New Testament.  This  is pure poison to the hearts of all Christians who cannot discern the truth. And sadly, such little discernment that would be required to see through this, is lacking in many in the church today. The spirit of antichrist is in those who would have us pay more heed to these passions and matters of the flesh than to the calling that Christ commissioned us all for.

Different Dreams, Same Old Story Line:

Once again, just as in the “nuclear devestation of the USA in 2010” prophecy of two years back, Trunews and Rick Wiles strongly hint that we should consider leaving the country because of these dreams.

“Many of them are selling everything and fleeing the USA.”

How many believers will now foresake their fellowship and  the calling of God in their lives and renounce everything for the sake of the dreams of listeners to a radio show? Their plan is to attempt to outrun what is being presented as a judgement from God. And we are not talking about their own dreams, where God may have indeed spoken to them in some way concerning their personal situation, but we are talking about the dreams of anonymous people.

We went through this in 2010, with Mr. Wiles telling us that “those who are healthy enough should consider leaving the country.” Wiles also told us back then that God told him he would be leaving the country by the end of 2010. He didn’t leave the country then, and he probably won’t leave it now. In fact I don’t think any of the internet prophetic ministers calling for this kind of destruction in the U.S. are actually leaving the country. Frequent Trunews guest Nathan Leal, of Watchman’s Cry fame, prophesied in a vision a mushroom cloud rising 50,000 feet above the city of Spokane. He continues to live with his family less than an hour’s drive away from that city.

The golden calf of all these false prophets is donations from listeners, primarily in North America. In other words, listeners who have become addicted to the doomsday utterances they have come to believe are from God and are therefore vital to hear. They are not about to leave that behind. Don’t expect them to be following the same advice they are suggesting as options to their flocks. Get Rick Wiles or Nathan Leal to leave just because of some revelation from God about a mushroom cloud or the end of freedom in the country by November? No. Not on your life.

Lets all be aware of several points at this time:

Point one: If the dreams are not fulfilled, the representative of the dreamers, Mr. Wiles, will tell us that nothing happened because God changed His mind; Again, nothing in these dreams would indicate a conditional nature to them, except the disclaimer tacked onto the dreams by Mr. Wiles himself. If God was sending us a prophecy which was conditional, I think He would make that clear.

Point two: Mr. Wiles also has the potential to escape responsibility by telling us that we shouldn’t complain to him, because he didn’t have the dreams.

Point three: Any unusual event, no matter what it is, will be claimed as the fulfillment of the prophetic dreams. In the aftermath of the failed 2010 prophecy, one year later on the anniversary program aired on January 8th, 2011, he stated that the introduction of invasive body searches and body scanners at the nation’s airports could have been the fulfillment of his prophetic vision of the devestation of the country. The body scanners caused the devastation of the U.S.? This is the kind of logic that will be put into play to claim fulfillment. So there you see the writing on the wall: the prophetic dreams will be claimed to have been fulfilled no matter what happens.

Point four: While not hesitating to imply to his listeners that the coming events might warrant leaving the country , don’t expect Mr. Wiles to go anywhere soon.

Where Is the Holy Spirit In All This?

The mention of the “pouring out of the spirit”  in Joel Chapter 2 is what causes many in the church today to assume that they can rely solely on their dreams for direction and guidance from God. This passage refers to the day of Pentecost, and the gifts may continue today, but not in this way. The gifts do not rain down on us as they did in the time of the apostles after Pentecost. We do not walk as the apostles did, performing miracles as we travel from town to town. We are not apostles. The last apostle died about 1900 years ago. We should stop trying to counterfeit what they did. The foundation of the church has been laid down. No structure has two foundations. We have our own calling in the church today. Lets cut through all the confusion that people like this put in our path, and get about the business of the Kingdom.   

The Holy Spirit is actually very far removed from this kind of prophetic free-for-all circus. The Lord is a God of order, and there is nothing orderly about this. Their story changes constantly, to keep the audience hooked on listening to the broadcasts. Watch how this story morphs into something else when the time frame for all this comes and goes.

Where Are The Details? 

When people tell you that God spoke to them, whether in dreams or visions or any other manner, but they do not give any details or specifics, or they just present to you symbolism as contained in dreams, then be wary. Always subject everything you hear which is  presented as being from God to scriptural testing. God is not vague. He is able to make Himself perfectly clear to anyone. The vagueness of so much of what is passed on through the internet should raise the alarm to any discerning Christian. Some prophecy is so general in nature that just about any prophetic word could be claimed to have been fulfilled.

Biblical prophecy, which is obviously the only model we have for true prophecy, indicates clearly that true prophecy is not short on details and specifics. God would have no trouble whatsoever making Himself clear. Is not one of the most fascinating things about God’s word the staggering number of prophecies which have been fulfilled right down to the last detail? Don’t listen to those who claim God just doesn’t provide much detail these days. They don’t have any details to give you, because they are not hearing from God.

Sooner or Later Chance Will Give Them A Near-Fulfillment, And Then, Look Out!

The Lord in His wisdom gave us the science of mathematics when He created the world. Contained within this framework is something called the Law of Probability. In simple terms, this law tells us that the more times we swing the bat, the higher the likelihood we will eventually hit the ball. To put it into prophetic terms, the more times certain things are predicted, the greater chance something akin to what is being foretold will actually occur.

This is why I look on with great concern when I see that people who have time and time again proven themselves to be false prophets are granted free license by their followers to keep issuing information they claim is from God. In true prophecy, there is a zero error rule. In addition to the biblical rule about the lack of vagueness in prophecy we discussed above, is the principal that nothing that is from God is in error in any way, or incomplete or lacking. God’s timing is never off. These are false teachers that tell you “ooops, I just got the dates wrong. I wasn’t receiving God’s message clearly.” Or they take a snippet of scripture and tell us “we only know in part, and prophesy in part.” God is without error, and so is His prophecy. God would be full and complete in passing on any message to His prophets.

When God wanted someone to do something, He told them and they heard and understood. Period. They didn’t always like it, and they didn’t always obey, but they heard. How could they not? Were they more powerful than God? Are you? Is there anything within your power or imagination that can keep God from getting a message to you?  Who do we think we are? ……….Bill Mackinnon

When the inevitable happens, and one day something actually does happen that even remotely calls to mind anything these internet dreams speak of, to the ends of the earth people like Mr. Wiles will be trumpeting to all how prophetic their ministries are. The last decade of misses will be quickly forgotten by the masses of followers who so desperately want their hero to be declared a modern day prophet.

Anyone who has ever in their life issued a prophecy that they declared to be from God, and that prophecy was not fulfilled, is a false prophet. There are no exceptions. Unless such a person had really undergone a hardening of the heart in the interval since the failed prophecy, he would never have anything to do with prophecies again. If he was a minister, he would immediately pledge before God that he would never use his ministry in this way again. He claims his ministry is one that teaches repentance, but does it practice what it preaches?

Rick Wiles told us all two years ago that he would humbly bow out of the business of prophecy if the 2010 nuclear bomb prophecy proved false. In the time since, he has continued to barrage the internet with prophecies, dreams, and visions of all kinds in interviews he conducts on his show. In fact, this has been his bread and butter for the 14 years of his ministry. The odd thing is, if he  had just stuck to being a secular newsman from the very beginning, he would probably have been a very good one. Instead, he has tried to blur the distinction between reporter and Christain minister. The result is he is no more than a fair newsman, and a disaster as a minister. 

It is impossible to truly count the damage done, in terms of taking the Christian focus away from Christ, and onto the things of this world. Away from the word of God, and onto the words of man. This represents the main focus of what Jesus warned us against in His earthly ministry.

“I do not believe the USA will be a free nation beyond November 2012.” ……..Rick Wiles

I do believe the USA will be a free nation beyond November 2012. Time will tell. Whatever happens, we will still not know what is God’s judgement and what is not, notwithstanding the dreams of Rick Wiles’ friends. And please, Mr. Wiles, lets not count Obamacare or the body scanners at the airports as your proof that we have lost our freedom. Nobody will buy it anymore. 

I love the words of Bill Mackinnon, writing in an article called “No Voices In My Head”, on the topic of whether we receive new revelation from God from the voices, dreams, and visions inside our heads:

If you email me and tell me I’m putting God in a box I swear I will hunt you down and kick you in the shin.  This isn’t about what God can do.  This is about what we can teach.  And (hopefully) we can agree that our teaching authority and doctrine comes from the Bible, not the voices in our heads.  God can do whatever He wants.  But we can’t teach whatever we want.

 What we should do is read our Bibles. You want to hear God speak? If you have a Bible, you have thousands of years of God-inspired instructions, messages, exhortations, rebukes and praises right at your fingertips. Why do we think we need more than that? God’s will for your life is written there. God’s instructions for living are there. To want them piped directly into your brain is just foolishness and laziness. Worse, it opens you up to the worst kind of doctrinal errors.

 

All blessings in Christ,

JD Ellis

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191 Responses to Claiming to Know the Mind of God – Rick Wiles and Trunews

  1. Connie says:

    Hi JD
    I believe that daily feeding our spirit with God’s Word and asking Jesus to walk by our side, allows the Holy Spirit to discern what is true and false. I listen to Trunews so I am grateful to the Holy Spirit for leading me to your insightful article. Thank you.
    Satan is the subtle and great deceiver.
    As for a Scripture, what comes to mind is “A man’s heart plans his way, But the LORD directs his steps” Proverbs 16:9
    With regard to people’s comments and views one only needs to hear what they write to know if their heart is humble and contrite.

  2. Michael says:

    I read just a short portion of this page when I came across where you claim, “The Bible is quite clear in stating that we cannot ever know the mind of God. God’s ways are not our ways.” And here you plainly manifest that you don’t know the only true God, but are still in the degenerate mind and wisdom from below that springs from the cursed ground, whose wisdom is forever shut up to the things of God; and so “become a fool that you may be wise”, “for the natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God.” The prophet was writing concerning those who are in your current state who don’t know the mind of God, and so he called them to repentance, to forsake their wicked ways and unrighteous thoughts and return to the Lord. Does one turn to God in repentance and not know his living way which he casts up which only few have ever walked because their unrepentant heart would not listen? What is repentance if one doesn’t turn into the way of God, which you say that can never know or walk in? Is that your repentance to remain in your own ways, or is to walk in the light, as God is in the light, that you might have fellowship with God and thus know him whom the scriptures give testimony to by the apostles and prophets and servants of God which seen him who is invisible through his own Spirit, Life, and Power, who is come to turn men from darkness to the light, whose light enlightens everyman that comes into the world and gives the manifestation of his Spirit that all may profit and know he’s not a God afar off but nigh, tho’ always hidden to the hypocrites whose hope shall perish. For the carnal mind is death and neither can know or fellowship with God. But the apostle said to such as turned from the flesh to Spirit (1 Corinthians 2:16) “But we have the mind of Christ,” which is God’s way, which way Christ Jesus said they knew that followed Him; but you hold that the scriptures claim no man knows his way, contrary to the scriptures, and that’s because you are not in the Spirit and wisdom from above that brought them forth. Now let me warn you friend in love, so long as you cause anyone to error from the way or the mind of God and teach men contrary to what he says, you will forsake your own mercies and yourself will never walk therein yourself, because you shall be judged according to your ways. And it is written, ‘Cursed is the one who makes the blind to wander off the road.’ For this reason many have errored far from the truth that strives in them, and never could find it but ran blindly to their shame.

  3. You state you just read a small portion of my article. This really shows itself as a problem in terms of the response you have put in your comment. If you had read the article in its entirety you would clearly know that I do not equate “knowing God’s ways” as being the same as “knowing God’s mind”. These two things are as different as night and day.

    To know God’s ways we merely need to read scripture and follow its clear instructions as to living a godly life. The false prophets I write about claim to know His MIND, i.e., to have an inside track to what He is revealing to His church today, and worse, to what He is actually THINKING. This is an abomination. No scripture tells us that we can go inside the mind of God and know His thoughts. These wicked prophets say if we support their ministries, we can continue to hear what God has to say to us. Otherwise, we must live our lives without knowing vital information God wants for us to have.

    You tie all of this into repentance. NONE of this has the slightest thing to do with repentance. Each and every one of us can come to repentance before the Lord by simply acknowledging our sinful ways, asking for forgiveness, and rededicating our lives to the Gospel. No part of repentance involves knowing details of God’s future plans for bringing judgment on a nation. God does not expect us to know what the future holds. Scripture says each day holds enough worry on its own, without fearing what tomorrow may bring. We simply place all our worries into God’s hands, and trust He will work out everything to our highest good.

    Trying to know what the future holds is wicked fortune-telling, an abomination in the eyes of the Lord. This is a cause for repentance.

    JD Ellis

  4. Thanks Connie.

    All blessings in Christ,
    JD Ellis

  5. Michael L says:

    Concerning those airy prophets you speak of, who are speaking from their own bellies, I have nothing to do with them.

    Being limited of time when I visited your page, I did not read but a small portion of it and was moved to write concerning your interpretation of the prophets words. Nevertheless it seems you’re as blind to your own statement and the prophets testimony as you are to the Spirit, who only is able to guide into all truth, as it did long before the scriptures existed, though you say otherwise, that the scriptures our the rule, contrary to the law of the Spirit of Life which was Christ’s rule, his prophets, apostles, and all holy men of God that walked with him and sat under their vine, made perfect and upright, before the scriptures existed; neither did the Spirit’s sufficiency depend on the scriptures to bring salvation and to show forth the saving power of Jesus Christ, who was manifested even to those who never had the scriptures, as the scriptures plainly testify of, both before and after the scriptures came into being. For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men; and by grace they were saved, which grace teaches us to deny all ungodliness and worldly lusts, and to live righteously, godly, and soberly in this world; and this grace, this teacher has appeared to all men through Jesus Christ apart from the scriptures, though they may be profitable to man in the faith of Jesus; but no man having turned to him (who is come to teach his people himself) needs any man to teach them, for the anointing, as the apostle says, teaches them all things, and all shall no him from the least to greatest, and no more after the flesh but after the manifestation of his own Life, Spirit, and Light: for the scriptures were not given to that end to take Christ’s seat and become the way, but rather to testify of the way that men would turn to him and believe, and thus receive the power to become sons of God, not born of the flesh but of the power of an endless life, whose ministration is that of the Spirit and not of the letter, and not like the apostate christians whose man made ministers preach for hire and prophecy for money and only feed themselves, whose end will be according to their works. So those who error from the Spirit error from the scriptures too and give heed to false lips, causing divisions, and following their sect masters who don’t turn them to the true light but to themselves, who know neither the scriptures they made a trade of nor the power of God they make ineffective through faith in him, upon which a true Christian’s faith stands; and his power is sufficient to withstand all things and overcome the world, the flesh, and bruise the serpents head under their feet, and see him fall like lightning who is exalting himself against God and lifted up to heaven, reigning in the hearts of men he’s blinded to the light of Christ, which is suppressed by their unrighteousness and lost in their own houses while they are ever seeking without for what was lost within, ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth in them. If you’ve made the scriptures your rule it’s no strange thing that you will stumble at them, for the light which is the way reveals them and leads to the fulfilling of them, passing through the prophets to obtaining the promises of good things to come, which things were witnessed by then apostles through faith and are manifested in Christ Jesus in heavenly places; but woe to the inhabitants of the earth!

    As for repentance, there was a people who knew what repentance was before the gospel was ever preached to them or ever having heard the gospel; so to say it’s an acknowledging your sins and “rededicating your life to the Gospel,” is false, lest you can explain what that gospel is, which is not known in Babylon or among it’s reprobates, who imitate a likeness of the way, but know not Christ the power and image of God alive in them, or leading them, or joined thereto to feed thereon, but on hearsay of others, taking their words who dwelt in the life of God and witnessed the power of the world and obtained a better resurrection than they shall receive when they wake up to see whom they have pieced, who stretched out his hands continually to a disobedient and mocking people that refuse to turn in their mind to that which crosses the flesh and would lead them to do as would be done by.

  6. To Michael:

    In the approximately 1500 words you have written in 2 rambling comments, you have used a total of TWO line/paragraph breaks, making it indiscernible what it is you are saying. If you think you have made a spirit-led rebuttal to anything I have written, the spirit you are following is not the Holy Spirit.

    As far as I can tell, you seem to be saying the process of repentance was different in Old Testament times than it is now. (they not having the Gospel, as we do now.) If this is the case, you are most certainly led by a different spirit.

    Amongst the huge blocks of text you have written, I cannot find any specific reference to any parts of any articles I have written. The comment section is for discussion of the articles appearing at my blog. You continue to resist meaningful engagement in what it is I have written in my articles, preferring to air flighty pseudo-spiritual comments completely ungrounded in anything the blog is engaged in.

    If you would like to address specific points I have made about specific individuals, and clearly explain, with line breaks as appropriate with good command of the English language, I would be happy to engage you in discussion of these specific articles I have written. However, I sense your purpose in coming here to comment is not to engage in meaningful argumentation, but merely to cherry pick vague generalizations of snippets from articles you admittedly have not read, and continue to not read, and to purport to all who will listen your superior spiritual condition and my woeful lack of same.

    To those not able or willing to engage specifically, I shake the dust off my shoes and depart your presence.

    You close your comment with these words, all formulated grammatically into ONE SENTENCE:

    As for repentance, there was a people who knew what repentance was before the gospel was ever preached to them or ever having heard the gospel; so to say it’s an acknowledging your sins and “rededicating your life to the Gospel,” is false, lest you can explain what that gospel is, which is not known in Babylon or among it’s reprobates, who imitate a likeness of the way, but know not Christ the power and image of God alive in them, or leading them, or joined thereto to feed thereon, but on hearsay of others, taking their words who dwelt in the life of God and witnessed the power of the world and obtained a better resurrection than they shall receive when they wake up to see whom they have pieced, who stretched out his hands continually to a disobedient and mocking people that refuse to turn in their mind to that which crosses the flesh and would lead them to do as would be done by.

    This sentence, with all due respect sir, is GIBBERISH, masquerading vaguely as some form of spiritual enlightenment. Do you even read your own words? Or is this just multiple “cut and paste” jobs assembled together from various sources to give the appearance of some great biblical insight on your part?

    Have a good day sir,
    JD Ellis

  7. Michael L says:

    The spirit of this world has ever turned truth into a lie and than got into a likeness thereof to hide itself, so why should it be limited in you who cannot hear my word, but tramples on it like muddy swine to make it look as if it were one of your own who have always put darkness for light, and light for darkness? Did I not say your wisdom is from below, and should I expect you not to revile at what you know not, as you painted harlots have ever done in your pretty dresses and painted faces, “who cover with a covering” says the Lord, “but not with my Spirit”. As for placing paragraphs, you should be more concerned with bringing your deeds to the fire; there you may give up your flattering titles also. Perhaps if you made straight that mind in you that is crooked, you could read what I said without error, who seek to make my words crooked.

  8. Wow Michael. I think without doubt this is the most foolish attempt at being “spiritual” I have encountered in the 5 years my blog has been up.

    You state:

    “Did I not say your wisdom is from below, and should I expect you not to revile at what you know not”

    This would be laughable except that I sense somehow you are trying to be serious. My wisdom is from below, while YOUR wisdom comes from “ABOVE”, and this is why I know not of which you speak?? Sir, the most righteous sounding “wisdom” from a mortal being is but filthy rags to the Lord and an abomination in His sight. You are no exception to this biblical rule.

    >…..”You painted harlots have done in your pretty dresses and painted faces”….

    Michael, may I suggest you speak after having read my articles before pronouncing such a judgment. Uneducated opinionating without any exposure to the actual thing you are opinionating about, in the guise of righteous biblical judgment, is truly an abomination in the eyes of the Lord. Seek to first educate yourself about the matter with which you grasp and flounder hither and fro trying to understand, and then submit an opinion.

    ……”As for placing paragraphs, you should be more concerned with bringing your deeds to the fire”;”

    Dear misinformed soul, we do not bring anything “to the fire.” That is done entirely by God. It is God alone who will separate the good from the unrighteous, and He alone brings our words and deeds to the consuming fire of His judgment. We bring nothing.

    ;………”Perhaps if you made straight that mind in you that is crooked, you could read what I said without error, who seek to make my words crooked

    .

    Sir, your words are as crooked as anything I have ever read. I bring nothing to the dismemberment of your sentences. You do that all by yourself.

    Give it a rest, you sorrowfully pompous and pretentious soul. You dare to call others “muddy swine” when you yourself have the appearance of one who has spent considerable time rolling and thrashing about on the floors of the stables of the equine and bovine species.

    JD Ellis

  9. Michael L says:

    It’s a very small matter to me to be judged by a chaffy apostate who stills mends the old garment and has never known that wisdom which God store up for the upright, but condemns and speaks evil of what he knows not naturally with his serpentine wisdom that leads him in all his prayers and the reading of the scriptures to build up on his sandy foundation–whose wisdom the apostle said was earthy, sensual, and devilish– unlike those who are begotten of God, whose sons the world knows not, because it knows him not. You’re but one of many empty clouds who have the letter to talk of and a fabric of scriptures to deck yourself fair with, but not the light, life, faith, or Spirit they had that gave them forth, whose words and conditions you steal, which according to your own confession (who are the best witness against yourself) knows not the mind of God, and that your ways are not his ways, contrary to those he has called and beget out of the spirit of the world, upon whom the end of the world had come.

  10. To Michael:

    You insist you know the mind of God. What is God thinking now? If you know the mind of someone, then you know their thoughts, unless you are undertaking to redefine the English language and its usage. Since God is a spiritual being, then the concept of being able to “know His mind” is as preposterous as it is ignorant. Because of your spiritual blindness you are unable to see that knowing God’s WAYS is very different from knowing His MIND. My articles, among many other things, speak against those who claim to know His MIND, and from what you have written here, that includes you.

    The church for two thousand years has been plagued by and suffered public discredit and shame inflicted by those who teach that they are receiving special extra-biblical revelation from God, and thus are privy to “knowing His mind.” And that somehow God “failed to include” this vital information before allowing the closure of the Canon, choosing instead to play favorites and choose “select” individuals who are given this “special insight” from the “mind of God.” It is not coincidence that the most haughty and egotistical believers among each church congregation are always the same ones who claim to receive this special extra-biblical information.

    The Holy Spirit works to soften the heart and open the eyes to the truth of the Gospel and its saving graces. The Spirit does not work to “supplement” the truth of Scripture. Despite your disputations to the contrary, we know that the Word is full and complete, and all that is required to live a godly, full, and complete Christian life. We know this because it is what scripture tells us about itself. This position is abhorrent to people like you, who are convinced that you are so “special” in God’s eyes that He deigns to reveal special information to you alone and few others, while depriving the vast majority of His church from knowing this vital information which He gives you.

    You suffer from delusions of spiritual grandeur which you do not possess. You then use this delusion to attempt to place yourself on what you feel is a higher spiritual plane than those you view with disdain as poor misguided souls who rely on God’s written Word. You exalt yourself on these lofty peaks of existence, which you delude yourself into thinking are so far above the humdrum existence of everyday Christians who merely read the Bible. What fools they are, you ponder condescendingly, as you bask in the glory of being “chosen” to receive God’s special enlightenment reserved only for the special few and elite members of his church. Yes, Michael, you are so special, aren’t you? This is the epitome of spiritual arrogance, and it will be judged accordingly on the last day.

    Now in your view, I am the one who took upon himself the role of judge in this discussion? You came onto my blog, freely admitting you have read nothing but a few words of one article contained herein, and you began to immediately judge not only the contents of my writing which you admit to not having read, but also proceed to judge the state of my Christianity, and furthermore the state of my standing before the Lord.

    Jesus had a favorite word for those who stand in judgment of others who are accused of nothing other than the very same things the accuser is guilty of. That word was HYPOCRITE. He went on to call out the hypocrites as a “brood of vipers.”

    The dictionary defines hypocrite as follows:
    noun

    1.
    a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, especially a person whose actions belie stated beliefs.

    2.
    a person who feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, especially one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements.

    Heal yourself, Michael, before you pretend to be a correction officer of Christian writers and what you perceive to be their wrongheadedness. Always begin with yourself, before deigning to heal others. Also, in order to be an effective critic of a Christian blog, as I have stated numerous times, you must READ THE ARTICLES ON THE BLOG FIRST. There is no shortcut to being a meaningful critic. It simply shows either lack of critical integrity or just plain laziness to lift a few words from a paragraph and rip them from the entire context of a 3,500 word article. Anybody’s writing can be made to appear silly when torn from its context. Nobody cares what a person thinks about a blog which that person hasn’t read carefully. Without knowledge of what you are criticizing, you are merely blowing wind out of the wrong orifice.

    You truly are a petulant sort. I will not be posting any further comments from you unless they indicate a willingness to engage the content of the articles posted on this blog. I have allowed your sniping from afar to go on way too long. It is not in the best interests of the blog or its readers to post your snipes and attitudes which come from a willfully self-induced position of ignorance of the content of the articles published here, and the positions taken in the writing of the blog, not to mention a seriously overblown mental image of yourself and your position in the Kingdom.

    JD Ellis

  11. jld says:

    Excellent article; keep up the good work bro.

  12. Thanks Joe.

    All blessings in Christ,
    JD Ellis

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