Maurice Sklar Strikes the Mother Lode In False Prophecy

The wave of false prophets that has swarmed over the internet for the past decade or so has produced some very prolific practitioners, but probably none more so than Dr. Maurice Sklar.

His prophetic  messages pop up everywhere on Christian forums. It would seem at first glance that the Lord speaks to this man very often, on very many topics.  But on a closer look, we can see that its not always, or even mostly, or possibly even at all the Lord who is speaking to him.

Every once in a while, there comes along the pike a false prophecy that is so astounding in its depth of detail and degree of falsehood that it literally takes my breath away. One such prophecy that has made the rounds for the last few years on many forums and websites is the spectacular “Preparation of the Bride” prophecy issued November 24th, 2005, by none other than Dr. Sklar. 

http://www.mauricesklar.com/Teachings/Preparation_of_the_Bride/preparation_of_the_bride.html

Dr. Sklar is an accomplised musician. To get an idea of Dr. Sklar’s prophetic ministry, it is helpful to read a list of crusades and meetings he has ministered at, either musically or otherwise participating.  Among the names that jump out are:

Kenneth Hagin, Jr., Kenneth Copeland, Che Ahn, Benny Hinn, Rod Parsley,…. you get the idea.  A roll call of some of the most apostate of the current apostasy in the church today.

You might remember Che Ahn as the one who made the truly memorable statement to Todd Bentley back in 2008,  during the height of the Lakeland false revival in Florida that year, “I must decrease that you might increase.” Need we say anymore about someone who would quote John the Baptist’s reference to Christ, in referring to Todd Bentley?

Benny Hinn needs no introduction. His truly heretical antics have made a mockery of the faith for decades. Rod Parsley is the one who last year asked his followers to send in one million dollars in donations to “ward off satanic attacks.” Kenneth Copeland is a false teacher who for decades has been using the “word of faith” and “name it and claim it” false prosperity gospel to grow personally rich.

What are some of the “prophetic words” Dr. Sklar has issued over the years? This whopper of a failed prophetic word that we will focus on, issued in 2005, stands out as one of the most fantastic failures of any prophecy I have ever seen, and it will be revealing to dissect this message to learn from it.

Details of the 2005 “Preparation of the Bride” prophecy

Since it is so long, I will take cut it down into pieces and snippets, and from that a big picture will eventually emerge. Here we go, into a wonderland of prophetic mystery, all incredibly ascribed to be the words of the Lord God Almighty Himself:

“New York City will receive 3 major judgments before the end of 2008. Each one will be more devastating than the last. One will shake the entire financial world and cripple the once invincible financial power of America. Millions will lose everything in a moment. It will make the crash of the stock market in 1929 look like a little thing in comparison. America will no longer be the financial leader of the world. Another judgment will destroy a major stadium during a sports event. Yet another explosion will destroy nearly an entire Borough of New York. But for the sake of the Jewish people in New York, I will supernaturally spare them. After this, I will cause the largest aliyah (return) of My people (the Jewish people) from New York (and other regions throughout the developed world to Israel) in all of history. But only after the entire financial system that they are dependant on collapses will they all return to the land that I have promised them.”

Is it just me, or are other people of the Christian faith just as shocked as I am that someone could put these words in the Lord’s mouth, and be totally unrepentant about it afterward?

Enough people repented, so the Lord changed his mind!

This disclaimer is added on somewhere in the middle of the lengthy prophetic word:

This is but a fraction of what is soon to come IF there is not repentance and turning back to Me.

This is the new “out” for the false prophet that is so popular these days. When what the Lord supposedly tells them fails completely to come to pass, it was because of repentance on the part of the people. Did anyone notice a great wave of repentance that swept over New York City between 2005 and 2008?

What Biblical reference point do we have to get an idea of how much repentance is required for God to withhold His hand of judgment? When we look at the story of Jonah and his prophetic warning to the city of Nineveh, we see that every single person in the city, right down to the cattle in the fields, wore sackcloth and ashes.

When God issues a prophecy with conditions attached, it is clearly stated within the prophecy itself. God doesn’t leave us guessing.  The Nineveh warning was issued by God in a clearly conditional manner, with the condition being stated by God Himself. When you see a prophet tack on  a disclaimer, or allow a disclaimer to be tacked on, to his prophecy that “it may not occur if enough people repent”, this is a red flag we should be aware of.

Lets look further into it. Earlier in this same 2005 prophecy, there is this to say about the year 2007:

 There shall be 5 terrorist attacks that will hit America in ever increasing destruction upon the major cities. Before the end of 2007, a nuclear “dirty bomb” will blow up in a major city in the south of America.

The false prophecies continue:

There will follow two more judgments one in a major city of Europe and one in the Arab nations in the middle east before the end of this year.  (2005)

Followed by:

Tokyo, Japan. Hong Kong, China. Johannesburg, South Africa. Calcutta, India. Sidney, Australia. Chicago, Illinois. Los Angeles, California. Paris, France and many other cities will experience major catastrophies in the next five years. (Editor’s note: meaning: by 2010). Millions upon millions will perish.

It takes one’s breath away to ponder how anyone with any fear of the Lord at all, even at the most basic level, could still be issuing prophetic words today, after such a colossal failure. Its seems as if he doesn’t even break stride, failure after failure, not even considering the consequences of dishonoring the word of the Lord in this manner. We have been clearly warned in scripture against doing this.

The prophetic words keep coming, all of this indicated to occur within the 2005 to 2009 time frame:

I will shake California in a warning, and then there shall finally come the earthquake that I have mercifully withheld for so many years. Millions shall perish in the ensuing floods and the west coast of America shall be removed and fall into the ocean.

Note: Dr. Sklar continues to this day to base his ministry in Victorville, California, the same West Coast area God supposedly told him would fall into the ocean.

And this:

Boston shall experience a major attack upon a great school that once preached My gospel in ages past but has left the faith of their fathers never to return again. It will never be rebuilt again.

And still more rings out:

The aids epidemic will devastate the population in Africa to half of its’ present size in the next 4 years.

Wait a minute here. African population cut in half by 2009?

And this:

North Korea will launch a sudden nuclear attack and then be completely destroyed. Only the prayers of South Korea can stop it.

Note: The North Korea nuclear attack didn’t occur. So in order to support this prophecy the theory that South Korea repented sufficiently needs to be quickly called onto the playing field to plug this leak in the prophecy.

The “Taking Billy Graham home”  Story Line

But for me, the real sucker punch in this whole prophecy was the assertion that God was revealing to the seer that He was going “to take Billy Graham and Oral Roberts home.”  Well, lets see, Oral Roberts did die four years after the prophecy, at the age of 91. Can we call this a prophecy that someone 87 would die within 4 years?

And about Billy Graham. Lets have a closer look at what Dr. Sklar has been passing on to us, supposedly from God, about Rev. Graham’s fate, in the time since this 2005 word. This is where the tale takes a definite turn for the worse, if that is even possible. In my research, I began to see that Dr. Sklar has been prophetically declaring the imminent passing of Reverand Graham for many, many years.

In recent times, Dr. Sklar has claimed God told him he is “taking Billy Graham home” on the following occasions, with the title and date of the prophetic word in bold:

November 24, 2005 “Preparation of the Bride” as noted above.

June 4, 2009 The Coming Threats To the United States of America http://www.mauricesklar.com/Teachings/The_Coming_Threats/the_coming_threats.html

July 13, 2010  The Restrainer http://www.mauricesklar.com/Teachings/The_Retrainer/the_retrainer.html

December 1, 2011 “The Lord Says

http://www.mauricesklar.com/Teachings/Prophecy/prophecy.html

“The Lord Says” prophecy was released a day after Billy Graham was admitted to hospital in serious condition with pneumonia. Here the Lord is clearly quoted as telling Dr. Sklar that Rev. Graham’s passing will occur SOON.

August 16, 2012  The Red Horse of War http://www.injesus.com/messages/content/414964

The Red Horse of War prophecy was released 3 days after Billy Graham was admitted to hospital with bronchitis.

So you see, basically every year, Dr. Sklar issues a prophetic word saying God told him Billy Graham will pass away, or at least to “watch” for his passing. In the case of two of these prophetic utterances, Reverend Graham had been admitted to hospital just before the issuance of the prophecy.

But when I looked a little further into this prophecy, I found this “death of Oral Roberts and Billy Graham” prophecy was not new. It actually originated from the mouth of none other than Benny Hinn. In an old broadcast recently reshown on TBN, Hinn stated:

“The Lord said to me in ’89…sorry, yeah, ’89. He said when Oral Roberts and Billy Graham go home will be the key—it will be the sign—of the beginning of the greatest revival on earth. Oral is home. Billy is about to go home. And when he does, I am telling the whole church, get ready.”

So when one checks further back to what he actually said in 1989, it was the following, in a string of New Years Eve prophecies Benny Hinn recorded at his Florida church, Orlando Christian Center:

The Lord also says that, Two of his great giants will die in the mid-90’s. They’ve held the torch of revival for the last forty years, these two. One of them has been to this church, and the other has not. One will die suddenly while asleep. And the other will die of sickness. And as both giants die, which will be in the mid-90’s, I will shake this world with a last revival. Their death will be the closing pages of this move.

I think a few things are clear here:

(1) God knows exactly when Billy Graham will pass from his mortal body.

(2) While God works in mysterious ways, He doesn’t work in confusing or incongruous ways. For God to reveal to Dr. Sklar, or Benny Hinn, anything about the mortal passing of Rev. Graham would be surprising enough, but to be confusing about the timing seems even more out of character for the Almighty God we know about through His Word.

(3) Neither Dr. Sklar, nor Benny Hinn years before him, were actually receiving heavenly bulletins about the medical condition of Rev.Graham. Billy Graham continues to live. God is the only one who knows the timing of his, or anyone else’s, passing.

How can any thinking, scripturally knowledgeable, and God fearing Christian come to any other conclusion than that this is an abomination to claim to fellow Christians that God speaks to them in this manner?

Other Prophetic Visions From Dr. Sklar

You might think, well, the prophet was just having a bad day when he issued this message. I don’t think the Lord was having a hard time getting through to him, or was unclear. So perhaps his prophetic radar in some way wasn’t functioning that day. Thus to be fair, lets take a look at some of the other teachings this person has issued over the years. Some examples are the following:

The Vision of Heaven (Aug. 4th, 2010)

http://www.mauricesklar.com/Teachings/A_Vision_of_Heaven/a_vision_of_heaven.html

On Wednesday, August 4th, 2010, at about 10:30 AM, an angel came into my bedroom, I had just awakened. He said to me, “I am sent from the Lord to bring you to heaven. You must now come with me. Take my hand.” So I did. Suddenly, I was in the spirit realm. We ascended out through the ceiling of my home and shot up into the air like a rocket.

What follows is a vividly detailed description of heaven itself.

Soon I saw a large white tent “city” of sorts………It had twelve tent pavilions; each with a white cone that went up at
least ten stories high. On top of each “cone” was a flag that the
angel said was a flag for each of the twelve tribes of Israel……….As we entered into the tent of Benjamin, I saw many tables that were at least a hundred feet long. Each was lavishly set with gold cutlery, crystal goblets and plates that looked like they were made out of mother-of-pearl.

He then goes on to describe entering a heavenly concert hall:

The angel quietly spoke in my ear. This is a concert in your honor.
The composer, Gustav Mahler is here in heaven. He has composed a symphony for you. Then the Lord came out on stage and conducted! ……Then, when the music started, I went into a realm of ecstasy that I cannot describe in words…… But the music was like a living movie or a vision…… I listened and I saw many good things that I had done to love people on earth.

There is some biblical precedent for people getting glimpses of heaven. Elijah and Enoch were both taken up to heaven directly without tasting death. But they never returned to tell anyone what it was like. Lazarus never spoke much later on about what he had seen in the four days before he was resurrected.

The detail of Dr. Sklar’s visit to heaven is stunning in comparison with the scarce information we get from Scripture of what heaven is like. John the Apostle was the only one in the Bible who provided anything close to the kind of detail about heaven provided by Dr. Sklar, and that detail comes through visions related in the book of Revelation.  It seems that Dr. Sklar has the advantage over John, in that his imagery comes from an actual visitation, not a dream or vision.

(…….at about 10:30 AM, an angel came into my bedroom, I had just awakened.)

Fishing With William Branham 

http://www.mauricesklar.com/Teachings/Recent_Vision/recent_vision.html

A remarkable vision Dr. Sklar says he was given to release to us is this tale of a fishing trip where he encountered the deceased William Branham. Branham appeared beside him in a small fishing boat. He asked Maurice to release 25 of his “lost sermons” that contained an important message for the present times. This vision really has to be read to do it justice.

William Branham was a man who lived about half a century ago, who was kind of a forerunner for numerous false doctrines that took firm grip on the church in later years. His teaching was a bizarre combination of Word Faith, Manifest Sons of God, and Serpent Seed, all rolled into one. He denied basic Christian doctrine such as the Trinity.

Branham explained, “…not one place in the Bible is trinity ever mentioned…It’s Catholic error and you Protestants bow to it” (Conduct, Order, Doctrine, Q and A, p. 182).

See http://letusreason.org/Latrain4.htm for a complete discussion of the errors of William Branham.

Dr. Sklar’s Defense of the failed “Preparation of the Bride” Prophecy

 Years later, Dr. Sklar issued the following statement concerning the complete and abject failure of the 2005 prophecy:

http://www.mauricesklar.com/Teachings/Coming_Shakings_/coming_shakings_.html

Well, much to my surprise, it went all around the world. Many thousands of intercessors began to pray, and I am now convinced that God held these calamities back in His mercy so that we would have more time to get the Gospel out to the nations (especially here in America!).

Here he invokes the “repentance clause” we came across above. These internet prophets convince us it wasn’t their failure, it was God changing His mind. According to this logic, there are no failed prophecies, just a whole lot of cases where God withholds the judgment spoken of. And even more amazingly, Christians who should be exercising more discernment just accept it.  

Then he pauses, to add that he “could have just missed it”, only to quickly revert back to :

I am now more and more convinced that I really DID have a genuine visitation from the Holy Spirit and God’s mercy did indeed intervene and held these calamities back, praise His Holy Name

Is he talking about a message from God here or is this a debate he is having in his own mind about whether it was God speaking? If you are not crystal clear on whether it is God speaking or not, you are not getting revelation from God. The word of God is never ambiguous. The Lord will never experience problems making things clear to us. Obviously, prophecy was never intended to be a “hit or miss”proposition. 

This is so typical of the modern day internet prophets. They think its OK if they “win a few, lose a few.” Even if they “win” none, and “lose” them all, its all good to them. It shows you how they bring a “game” mentality to something as deadly serious as revelation from the Lord Almighty. It all sells, it all attracts popularity and attention to their ministries, which is what its all about for them.

Evaluation of the 2005 “Preparation of the Bride” prophecy.

In the final analysis, for the 2005 “Preparation of the Bride” prophecy of Maurice Sklar to be considered seriously as a genuine word from the Lord, so much of our Biblical understanding of the Lord and His ways would have to be suspended or done away with altogether. It is impossible to draw any other conclusion  than that the words are from a human mind, and represented as words from God.

Maurice Sklar sees nothing wrong in piggybacking on a prophecy by Benny Hinn which has failed for 23 consecutive years, and hardwiring it into a mishmash of failed utterances in 2005, only to see it fail for another 7 straight years. He pridefully puts the name of God on all this, and without even a moment’s hesitation, continues to issue prophetic utterances today.

This is actually a very sad story of a man, who in every other way appears to be a very decent, likable, and well-meaning individual. He has for some unknown reason decided to elevate himself to an office of spokesman for God without God’s calling to do so. He is forsaking all of the numerous biblical warnings against doing this, as if  he believes he has received some special permission to bypass God’s written instructions. What is the result? The false glorification and uplifting of his own ego in terms of his person, his ministry, and his career, through counterfeiting the gifts of the Holy Spirit. Could the Bible be any clearer about how seriously this grieves the Lord?

And what harm does this do when people falsely speak for God? The New Testament, as well as the Old Testament, speak clearly about the danger of false prophecy. When people in the church become focused on what a false prophet is claiming God said, they are diverted from the real truth contained in the Bible.

I recall last year when many of the false prophets of the internet spun tales about how comet Elenin was going to be a spectacular, monumental event with great significance for all Christians. Many thousands of believers were totally enraptured for months, caught up in discussions, forum posts, tweets, and blogs with daily updates of the progress of this comet. How much could have been done to further the commission of spreading the Gospel if the same number of man-hours of effort had instead gone into evangelization and bringing Christ to the lost, or simply soaking in the glory of God’s word?

All these internet seers, watchmen, prophets, or whatever they insist on being called, are charming, and tell an interesting tale. They are personable, and know how to keep their audiences interested. But whatever takes our focus off of Christ and puts it onto the things of the world and the things of men, is of the darkness. Remember that scripture tells us that the spirit of darkness comes dressed as an angel of light. It is our job as ambassadors of Christ to have the discernment to know when Satan is using someone to deceive us and take us away from the light of the world that is Jesus Christ.

The word of God Almighty is the most precious thing imaginable. It is worth more than all our gold and every material thing. We in the body of Christ should not allow it to be trampled on and belittled. We wouldn’t allow anyone to edit or change our Bible. Why should this kind of brazen misrepresentation of God’s revelation to us be excused?

All blessings in Christ,

JD Ellis

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102 Responses to Maurice Sklar Strikes the Mother Lode In False Prophecy

  1. Trev says:

    JD Ellis, I am in agreement with you. I too believe in testing the spirit, the prophecy or whatever else they preach or say that sounds contrary to the very word of God. I feel many are scared to question these false prophets because they have not really read the word of God for themselves. if we just took the time to stop listening to tv evangelist and buying tapes and reading books about the word of God and simply read it in its entirety for what it says, then maybe some can hear and see the difference when they hear a false prophet speak…what prophet in his right mind states ” if you don’t believe me go ask the Holy Spirit in prayer” why? I am asking you the prophet directly but you cast judgment on me for questioning you directly and accuse me of blasphemy against God….that sounds like the Pharisees….what I don’t understand even more is how and why many Christians are remaining quiet when false prophecies are stated? Take the prophecy of Efrain Rodriguez for Puerto Rico….not one church or pastor has stood up and declared to tested the prophecy of this one individual in the island of Puerto Rico. Either they know its false and just ignore it or fear in going against it…my simple question to his site was ” who is Efrain Rodriguez and what prophecy has he stated publically that has come true for me to know that he is a prophet of God?” their reply was simply to delete my questions and statements that I found contrary to the word of God….well, I guess I have my answer from them…May the Lord make more of us like the Bereans and search everything thru the scripture to see if it’s true…be blessed

  2. So many people are engaging in putting thoughts and words into God’s mouth. They have no fear of the Lord. Scripture makes it clear that God zealously guards and protects his Word. The best test for “prophecy” is “did what the prophet speak of come to pass?” The fulfillment is always zero, so then to save face they have to say it was because enough people repented.

    The scary thing is that in the endtimes some of the false prophets will prophesy things which will actually happen. God allows them to have this power because he is testing us to see if we follow the “prophecies” or if we truly follow Him and His Word. (Deut. 13:1-3) This is why we need to use discernment now. If we can’t see the falsehood in blatant obvious false prophets like Maurice Sklar, Rick wiles, and Nathan Leal, we will be overwhelmed when the falsehood becomes truly deceptive.

    Blessings and thanks for commenting, Rudy.
    JD Ellis

  3. Another false prophet. Christ said that “many” were in the world, and that was 2,000 years ago, so just imagine how many are around today, sucking the life out of undiscerning Christians. It is tragic. But we can know that their day of reckoning will come at the last day. And their punishment will be horrific, for leading the children of God astray. Their ends will match their deeds.

    all blessings in Christ,
    JD Ellis

  4. Valerie says:

    This is an outrageous article about a dear saint of the Lord. You seem to do a lot of quoting but left out what the bible says about judging. Maurice is one of the most humble man of God I have meant who truly hears from God. He has spoken many words the Lord has given him to friends of mine who had certain issues that Maurice did not know & he addressed it to them. One of which was a condition my husband had that was only know by my husband, myself & our Dr. Not even our daughter knew. And the word from God was that he had been healed. When the spirit is not leading how can one expect to understand what God is doing thru others.

  5. First of all, the Bible says much about judging, and ALL of it is how we are commanded to judge. Jesus said not to make unjust judgments but righteous judgments. (John 7:24) To not make any judgments at all would show an extreme lack of the spiritual gift of discernment.

    If you think Maurice Sklar is a humble man of God, then you are very sadly mistaken. Is this a humble man who brags that his name is written in gold letters in heaven, and that Jesus not only transported him to heaven for a personal tour, but even conducted a symphony in his honor!!!!

    He is a dangerous Pharisaic man, full of himself and his sense of self-importance. God only knows how many he will drag to hell by getting them to put down their bibles as their source of God’s truth and listen to his false revelations that he puts God’s name on. Even Maurice Sklar himself admitted after the colossal failure of his prophecy of 2005 that he “just missed it.” Please tell us how someone getting direct revelation from God can “miss it.” May the Spirit of God open your eyes to the spiritual danger you are in by listening to this man.

    This blog is dedicated to exposing the falsehood of the vain teachings of modern false prophets that their dreams and visions are guidelines by which we should live our Christian lives. Such treasures of Godly wisdom are found only in the Scriptures, which is the way God speaks to man today.

    JD Ellis

  6. Dan Carlson says:

    From Dan Carlson, Pastor, Community Bible Church of Aguila, AZ
    The assertion is made that “the Bible tells us that the canon of Scripture is closed,” meaning that God is no longer speaking authoritatively in this day and age. This says that God is not communicating to any so-called prophets today. We are therefore not to seek any further word from the Lord.

    If this is true, it carries some serious implications which affect the very nature and character of the Almighty. To be wrong on this vital issue would be a devastating position to be in. One needs to be absolutely right in their assumption that God has chosen to remain silent for the past 2,000 years. And they need to base their assumptions solidly on the Word of God.

    Has this been done? Are there clear, direct and authoritative Scriptures which confirm the total termination of direct revelation since biblical times? Or are passages taken out of context and given preconceived interpretations? If God chooses to keep silent that’s one thing, but to impose silence on Him through man-made doctrines is a travesty of the highest order. So, is there clear-cut evidence in the Bible that God has chosen to be mute?

    Revelation 22:18-19 is cited as proof that God no longer speaks in our day and age. It warns against adding to or taking away from “the book of this prophecy.”

    However, this warning is similar to ones given by previous biblical authors: “You shall not add to the word which I command you, nor take from it…” (Deut. 4:2). “Do not add to His words, lest He rebuke you…” (Prov. 30:6). Surely Moses and Solomon didn’t mean that God would no longer speak from that day on. If so, the rest of the Bible would be spurious—including all of the New Testament. So, that interpretation is in error.

    By the way, the 66-book canon didn’t suddenly pop up 2,000 years ago; it went through many changes. I have a photocopy of the 1611 KJV, and it has 80 books. It was sometime after 1611 that 14 books were scrapped.

    Furthermore, the reason the Book of Revelation is found at the end of the Bible is because it was one of the last books to be accepted. “It was not found in the Peshitta (the commonly accepted Bible) during the first five centuries” (Dictionary of the Bible, by John Davis).

    Besides, today’s canon does not include some books endorsed and recommended by authors of the Bible. Here’s a partial list: Books by prophets such as Gad, Nathan, Ahijah, Iddo, Shemaiah, Jehu, Jasher, and Enoch (1 Chr. 29:29; 2 Chr. 9:29; 12:15; 20:34; Joshua 10:13, 2 Sam. 1:18; Jude 14).

    Paul also speaks of a letter he wrote (to the Laodiceans – Col 4:16). These are historical facts, not opinions.

    Even though some of these books have survived to the present day, one reason given for not including them is because their authorship is in question. Why then have we included the Book of Hebrews, whose authorship is also uncertain?

    A major concern about the doctrine of discontinued revelation is that it effectively “shuts the mouth of God” by not allowing Him to speak beyond what He has already said in biblical times, thus denying the unchanging nature of God, as well as His omnipotence and omnipresence. This borders on blasphemy!

    It also vacates functions of the Holy Spirit, i.e. to reveal divine truth to us, teach us heavenly things, remind us, guide us, and show us things to come (1 John 2:27, 20 John 14:17, 26; 16:12-15).

    Can you imagine a loving father refusing to speak to his children simply because he had written them a letter twenty years ago which contained all the instructions they would ever need to know?
    Besides the above references, there are other passages telling us that God still wants to speak to us. And what-ever God chooses to say to us is the absolute truth (Prov. 30:5; Joel 2:28; Job 33:14-16).

    Another passage used to “prove” a closed canon is 2 Tim. 3:16: “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine…” However a literal translation of this verse says: “All writing [graphe – documents] inspired of God is profitable for doctrine…” Either way, this doesn’t make the canon a closed volume. It’s quite a stretch to make it to say that!

    One objection to an “open” canon is: “It would cause confusion and divisiveness.” How much more than we already have?

    The truth of the matter is: Jesus wants an intimate encounter with each of His children, and He assures us: “I am the good shepherd, and I know My sheep, and am known by My own… And they will hear My voice, and there will be one flock and one shepherd” (John 10:11-16 Sel.).

    True unity comes only through complete dependence on Jesus our Shepherd. His prayer for us is “that they all may be one, as You, Father are in Me, and I in You, that they also may be one in Us” (John 17:21).

    Let’s not deprive Him of speaking to us if and when He chooses by imposing on Him “closed” canon constraints.

    Thank God for the Bible! It tells us that our heavenly Father is unchanging, “With whom there is no variableness, neither shadow of turning” (Mal. 3:6; Jas. 1:17).

    And in no uncertain terms it declares that it has always been, and always will be His perfect will to communicate personally with those who seek Him with all their hearts. Isn’t only right we allow Him that privilege?

    It’s unfortunate that there are false prophets today. But that isn’t unique—they had them in profusion in biblical times as well! That’s why the Bible gives guideline and measurements to put the prophets to the test. And that’s why one of the important gifts of the Holy Spirit is the gift of discernment.

    There are also an abundance of false pastors, teachers, and evangelists! Should we do away with those ministries too? All these ministries were given to the church for a purpose:

    And He Himself [Jesus, Head of the Church] gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers [and He hasn’t stopped giving them], for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ, till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ [we still have a long ways to go]… But, speaking the truth in love, we may grow up in all things into Him who is the head—Christ… for the edifying of it-self in love [we need these Christ-given ministries to grow up!] (Eph. 4:11-16 Selected)

    There are a number of true prophets today who have paid a heavy price for their faithfulness to their calling. Allow me to mention one: Dumitru Duduman, a former pastor in Romania, and author of Through the Fire Without Burning, who underwent intense suffering in Communist torture chambers for over seven years. His prophecies have 100% accuracy—those which have been already fulfilled.

    We have no biblical excuse for denying our loving Heavenly Father and Jesus our Lord their divine right to speak personally with believers today who seek God’s face with all their hearts. Almighty God is well able to handle any problems that might come up with false ministers. After all, He has a vast amount of experience!

  7. Gabreil Helene says:

    endtimedelusion I believed it`s 100% True what You`re saying and I`m also in Full agreement with it . So many christians today just swallow all they hear from any so Called Prophate of God .

    God Bless

    Evangelist Gabriel

  8. Thanks Gabreil. God bless you in your search for truth. All we need is in the scriptures. We need no man’s vain dreams and visions.

    In Christ,
    JD Ellis

  9. Daniel Carlson says:

    Aren’t we sometimes guilty of “worshipping” the scriptures as Jesus chastised the Pharisees for doing? “You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me” (John 5:39).

    I know the attached article is a little long, but it is the gospel truth through-and-through!

    On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 5:36 PM, Endtime Delusion – 2 Thessalonians 2:10-11

  10. Pastor Carlson, I think you have a seriously flawed view of scripture and the basis for its inerrancy. The “other” extra-biblical books you mentioned in your previous comment were not included in the Canon for very good reasons – they all contain error. God was quite capable of getting the books he wanted included in the Canon, and we don’t need to worry that some books he “wanted” included were left out.

    Please give a link for the article you wish me to read. There was no link.

    Please check back in a day or two and I will give a detailed answer to both your comments.

    God bless,
    JD Ellis

  11. The Canon of scripture is in fact closed. Otherwise every prophetic dream of everyone who today considers himself a prophet of God would have to be formally appended to our Bibles, wouldn’t it? We can’t just let the words of God Almighty himself just fall to the ground, can we?

    I do not believe that God can’t or won’t speak to us today. I believe he won’t use human prophets today, because the reason to use human prophets ended when the canon of scripture closed. Using prophets was God’s way of communicating with man when they didn’t have a book to discern God’s will and purposes. I absolutely believe God can speak his will to me in any way he chooses to do so. I am constantly praying for him to reveal his will for my life. But for someone to stand up in the church and say “I must come forward and speak to the congregation today, for God has chosen me to be his representative and pass on truth to you folks today” is something we should all flee from. Nothing that is from God will be revealed this way. How can I be so sure? Because no human prophet has anything close to a perfect record in prophecy and the Biblical test is obviously one hundred percent accuracy. To think like Wayne Grudem, to use an example, thinks: i.e. that modern day prophecy legitimately contains an element of error, makes a mockery of genuine biblical prophecy. Biblical prophecy was God himself speaking. The human was only the mouthpiece, but the words were entirely from God.

    You give as your example Dumitru Duduman. First of all, Duduman claimed he got his prophecies from angels. So God doesn’t speak to him its spirit beings who give him information. OK, but the information the spirit beings give would have to be in total conformity with scripture, right? Duduman said among many other things that in a prophetic revelation God told him that his wife would take over his ministry. That proved false when she died shortly after. Biblically he made himself a false prophet at that moment and nothing further should have been heeded from this man from that point forward. Do you think that speaking on behalf of God is a “best two out of three” proposition? Can you please tell me one correct prophecy he uttered? Just one? And remember the biblical standard is one hundred percent accuracy or the prophet was ordered by God to be put to death. And his grandson Michael Boldea follows in his grandfather’s footsteps as a false messenger of God. Just look at the interviews Mr. Boldea does, and the websites he frequents. All the Wiles-Quayle-Leal-Perez type, who have been documented here and on other discernment blogs to be false prophets.

    You stated…”We have no biblical excuse for denying our loving Heavenly Father and Jesus our Lord their divine right to speak personally with believers today.”
    So standing up for the inerrancy of scripture and holding it to be an infinitely higher authority than any human experience to you is “denying” our loving Heavenly Father?” To me it is quite the opposite. It is standing up for the truth he has left us with, and denying the lies and deceit which emanate from the wicked human heart and masquerade as His truth.

    As to your attack on the inerrancy of the canon of scripture, in which you strongly implied that it was merely a political and human-guided process that led to what is called scripture today, and many inspired books were left out due to this haphazard process of selection, I refer you to these comments from “gotquestions.org.”

      Referring to the book of Enoch:

    The Book of Enoch is any of several pseudepigraphal (falsely attributed works, texts whose claimed authorship is unfounded) works that attribute themselves to Enoch, the great-grandfather of Noah; that is, Enoch son of Jared (Genesis 5:18). Enoch is also one of the two people in the Bible taken up to heaven without dying (the other being Elijah), as the Bible says “And Enoch walked with God, and he was not; for God took him.” (Genesis 5:24; see also Hebrews 11:5). Most commonly, the phrase “Book of Enoch” refers to 1 Enoch, which is wholly extant only in the Ethiopic language.

    The biblical book of Jude quotes from the Book of Enoch in verses 14-15, “Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men: ‘See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones to judge everyone, and to convict all the ungodly of all the ungodly acts they have done in the ungodly way, and of all the harsh words ungodly sinners have spoken against him.’” But this does not mean the Book of Enoch is inspired by God and should be in the Bible.

    Jude’s quote is not the only quote in the Bible from a non-biblical source. The Apostle Paul quotes Epimenides in Titus 1:12 but that does not mean we should give any additional authority to Epimenides’ writings. The same is true with Jude, verses 14-15. Jude quoting from the book of Enoch does not indicate the entire Book of Enoch is inspired, or even true. All it means is that particular verse is true. It is interesting to note that no scholars believe the Book of Enoch to have truly been written by the Enoch in the Bible. Enoch was seven generations from Adam, prior to the Flood (Genesis 5:1-24). Evidently, though, this was genuinely something that Enoch prophesied – or the Bible would not attribute it to him, “Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men…” (Jude 14). This saying of Enoch was evidently handed down by tradition, and eventually recorded in the Book of Enoch.

    We should treat the Book of Enoch (and the other books like it) in the same manner we do the other Apocryphal writings. Some of what the Apocrypha says is true and correct, but at the same time, much of it is false and historically inaccurate. If you read these books, you have to treat them as interesting but fallible historical documents, not as the inspired, authoritative Word of God.

      Referring to the book of Jasher:

    The question is, if the Book of Jasher is mentioned in the Bible, why was it left out of the canon of Scripture? We know that God directed the authors of the Scriptures to use passages from many and various extra-biblical sources in composing His Word. The passage recorded in Joshua 10:13 is a good example. In recording this battle, Joshua included passages from the Book of Jasher not because it was his only source of what occurred; rather, he was stating, in effect, “If you don’t believe what I’m saying, then go read it in the Book of Jasher. Even that book has a record of this event.”

    There are other Hebrew works that are mentioned in the Bible that God directed the authors to use. Some of these include the Book of the Wars of the Lord (Numbers 21:14), the Book of Samuel the Seer, the Book of Nathan the Prophet, and the Book of Gad the Seer (1 Chronicles 29:29). Also, there are the Acts of Rehoboam and the Chronicles of the Kings of Judah (1 Kings 14:29). We also know that Solomon composed more than a thousand songs (1 Kings 4:32), yet only two are preserved in the book of Psalms (72 and 127). Writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit in the New Testament, Paul included a quotation from the Cretan poet Epimenides (Titus 1:12) and quoted from the poets Epimenides and Aratus in his speech at Athens (Acts 17:28).

    The point is that the divine Author of the Bible used materials chosen from many different sources, fitting them into His grand design for the Scriptures. We must understand that history as recorded in the Bible did not occur in isolation. The people mentioned in the Bible interacted with other people. For example, though the Bible is clear that there is only one God, the Bible mentions a number of the gods people worshipped both within Israel and in the nations around. Similarly, as in Acts 17:28 and Titus 1:12, we sometimes find secular writers being quoted. This doesn’t mean that these quoted writers were inspired. It simply means they happened to say something that was useful in making a point.

    There is a book called “The Book of Jasher” today, although it is not the same book as mentioned in the Old Testament. It is an eighteenth-century forgery that alleges to be a translation of the “lost” Book of Jasher by Alcuin, an eighth-century English scholar. There is also a more recent book titled “The Book of Jashar” by science fiction and fantasy writer Benjamin Rosenbaum. This book is a complete work of fiction.

    Another book by this same name, called by many “Pseudo-Jasher,” while written in Hebrew, is also not the “Book of Jasher” mentioned in Scripture. It is a book of Jewish legends from the creation to the conquest of Canaan under Joshua, but scholars hold that it did not exist before A.D. 1625. In addition, there are several other theological works by Jewish rabbis and scholars called “Sefer ha Yashar,” but none of these claim to be the original Book of Jasher.

    In the end, we must conclude that the Book of Jasher mentioned in the Bible was lost and has not survived to modern times. All we really know about it is found in the two Scripture quotations mentioned earlier. The other books by that title are mere fictions or Jewish moral treatises.

    I strongly recommend reading the books of Dr. Michael J. Kruger on the Canon. (“The Question of Canon” and “The Canon Revisited”. He dispels many of the notions that are all too common today that the canon as we know it today is unreliable and contains only those books that “won” acceptance, as if it were some kind of political battle that took place entirely on the human level to decide which books were included.

    As to worshipping scripture, the passage you quote is not at all a “warning” by Jesus to “beware” of holding too tightly to scripture. That would be entirely contradictory to the bible’s message. Jesus meant that the searching of those who refuse to find Christ in the scriptures is futile, because it lacks the enlightenment of the Spirit. Those who follow the letter of the law receive death. Those who follow the Spirit receive life. (See 2 Cor. 3:6) These were people who knew the scriptures, but did not know the son, nor did they have a heart for knowing him. They thought that mere rote memorization and recitation in public of scriptures was enough for salvation. Jesus was in effect saying “no man goes to the Father except through me.”

    I am very alarmed by your serious denigration of the inerrancy of scripture Pastor Carlson.

    JD Ellis

  12. Dan Carlson says:

    Dan & Sonya Carlson, dandugancarlson@gmail.com
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    Endtimedelusion commented on Maurice Sklar Strikes the Mother Lode in False Prophecy. In response to Dan Carlson

    [From Dan Carlson – to JD Ellis, 1/30/15) Thank you from the bottom of my heart for being willing to engage in a discussion with me about the subject of “continuous revelation.” You are more honest than many, and I respect you for that. I also respect your opinions. Having said that, allow me to make comments [placed in brackets] to your various statements. Again, thank you for your courtesy.]

    The Canon of scripture is in fact closed.

    [This is a popular and widely held belief which is unsupported by any clear-cut Scripture references, and can only be bolstered by reading into it private interpretations.

    [It also depends on your understanding of the words “canon” and “Bible.” The pertinent definition of “canon” is “a list of the books of the Holy Scriptures officially accepted by a church as genuine.” And what “church” primarily selected the books which would be included? Mainly the Church of Rome, but with further input by Luther’s Reformation and the Church of England. Even when the KJV first came out in 1611, there were 80 books in the Bible, not just 66. (I have a photographic copy of it in my library.) So the “canon” has been in a state of flux over the centuries. The origin of the word “Bible” is from Greek biblia, meaning a little book, and “the sacred book of Christianity; the Old Testament and New Testament; the Roman Catholic (Douay) Bible also includes the Apocrypha.”

    [As to the canon being closed, by whose authority? Was it the Great God Jehovah who decreed, “No more shall be added to My Holy Writ from henceforth and forever”? Or was that man’s idea—as though God had run out of things to say to His children? I propose that it was strictly man’s idea—not God’s. You already have my take on the warning given by John in Revelation 21:18. This was in essence a “do not tamper” caveat, which had been used previously—twice in Deuteronomy and once in Proverbs.]

    Otherwise every dream or gut feeling of everyone who today considers himself a prophet of God would have to be formally appended to our Bibles, wouldn’t it? [Why?] We can’t just let the words of God Almighty himself just fall to the ground, can we?
    [A provocative thought indeed!]

    I do not believe that God can’t or won’t speak to us today. [I fully agree with this statement.] I believe he won’t use human prophets today,

    [You are entitled to your convictions – but that belief is nowhere expressly supported by Scripture—except by giving a preconceived slant to their intended meaning.]

    …because the reason to use human prophets ended when the canon of scripture closed.

    [That assumption has zero support from the Bible itself – when verses are read in their proper context. If there are any, please bring them to my attention!]

    Using prophets was God’s way of communicating with man when they didn’t have a book to discern God’s will and purposes.

    [NT believers had the OT Scriptures which they frequently quoted. But they did not interpret these as having closed the door forever on more revelation or on the ministry of prophets. If they had, we would not have much of the New Testament today. Furthermore, for well over a thousand years after Christ came, the common people did not have access to the Bible, or any book. How did God speak to them then? Through their priests—many of which were rotten to the core)?

    [Furthermore, where in the Bible does it say God chose to limit His willingness to communicate with man to a single book? Or that He has nothing more to say to His children? Or that regardless of how far they stray from truth and righteousness, He will send no more prophets to warn them or to sound the trumpet? If so, then God has diametrically changed His ways!]

    I absolutely believe God can speak his will to me in any way he chooses to do so. I am constantly praying for him to reveal his will for my life.

    [Mr. Ellis, I applaud you for being in earnest about seeking God’s will in your life! And for acknowledging that He can do so in whatever way He chooses. One of the differences between us is that I believe He still chooses to communicate in ways He has always done in the past. And since His nature is unchanging, one should expect Him to continue revealing Himself in ways that are consistent with His sovereign nature. Besides, there is zero biblical evidence that He has chosen to do otherwise.]

    [And how did the Lord choose to communicate in times past? Through dreams, visions, heavenly messengers, Holy Spirit inspiration, and personal face-to-face appearances. Does He do so today? Absolutely! He appeared to my wife—not in a dream or a vision, but in real life! She doesn’t say that boastfully, in fact, she rarely talks about it. The remarkable truth is that in our day and age Jesus has appeared to literally millions of people. There are newspaper reports of entire Muslim communities having the Lord Jesus appear to each of them in dreams on the same night!

    [This story made national news in this all-Muslim country (of Ukraine/Croatia). One night a man went to sleep and the Lord Jesus appeared to him and told him who He was, saying, “I am Jesus Christ and I died for your sins.” Jesus went on to tell him some other things leading him to salvation. When this man awoke out of the dream he knew he had seen the real risen Lord and that Allah was not the true and living God. You must also understand that in all Muslim countries some of these precious people can be killed for professing Jesus Christ. Regardless, after he awoke, they reported that he went to a place to eat and started telling people about how he had seen this man named Jesus in a dream the night before in his sleep. “Who has heard such a thing? Who has seen such things? Shall the earth be made to give birth in one day? Or shall a nation be born at once?” (Isa. 66:8). As he told others in that Muslim country, everyone he spoke to had seen Jesus that same night in a dream. Come to find out on the international news, everyone in this whole Muslim nation had been visited by Jesus on the same night in one day (Is 66:7-9). (Sourced from Appearances of Jesus by D.E. Taylor)

    But for someone to stand up in the church and say “I must come forward and speak to the congregation today, for God has chosen me to be his representative and pass on truth to you folks today” is something we should all flee from.

    [This is not a new phenomenon by any means. In 1st Corinthians, chapters 12 and 14, the Apostle Paul addresses that very issue extensively, and gives explicit direction on how to handle the “manifestations” of tongues and prophecy spoken in a congregational setting. And that is why one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is discernment—very essential in our day!

    [As to your next comment, “we should all flee from,” how does that line up with Paul’s directive, “Despise not prophesying”? You might say that it does not apply today because it was pre-cannonical, but that again is your personal assessment – not direct Bible teaching.]

    Nothing that is from God will be revealed this way. How can I be so sure? Because no human prophet has anything close to a perfect record in prophecy and the Biblical test is obviously one hundred percent accuracy.

    [History can teach us a lot. How God revealed His omnipotent nature in the past is a good indicator of how He wants to reveal Himself to us today. To say otherwise is to accuse God of being fickle and changeable—which He is not!

    [So, Bible prophets had a perfect record in prophecy? How about Jonah repeating this prophecy over and over for a full day? “Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown/overturned/destroyed,” (no ifs, ands, or buts, or repentance, or other conditions spelled out). If Jonah were not a Bible champion, our modern-day mindset would come down hard on him, accusing him of being a false prophet and a deceiver. But since he’s safely protected within the covers of The Book, he gets a break. Here is a sampling of some other “failed” prophecies in the Bible:

    [“And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed” (Genesis 26:4). God promised Abraham and Isaac that their descendants (the Hebrews) would become as numerous as the stars. Considering the number of stars there are in the universe, that would be on the order of 1024 Jews (one septillion or more, a “1” followed by twenty-four zeros.]

    [Of course, that was an example of the literary use of hyperbole. But if a contemporary prophet were to use a similar figure of speech, he would be given no slack. He would be condemned and “stoned” on the spot!

    [Here’s another one: “Behold, therefore, I am against thee, and against thy rivers, and I will make the land of Egypt utterly waste and desolate, from the tower of Syene even unto the border of Ethiopia. No foot of man shall pass through it, nor foot of beast shall pass through it, neither shall it be inhabited forty years” (Ezekiel 29:10-11).

    [At no time in recorded history do we find Egypt uninhabitable for 40 years. And if a contemporary “prophet” were to utter such a prediction today, he would be the laughing stock of Christendom. But this was the major prophet, Ezekiel—in the Bible—and no one dares put him to the same test they would put any modern-day prophet.

    [There are many others, but I’ll give just one more example—this one from the prophet Isaiah: “Awake, awake; put on thy strength, O Zion; put on thy beautiful garments, O Jerusalem, the holy city: for henceforth there shall no more come into thee the uncircumcised and the unclean.”

    [“For henceforth (from then on).” To this very day there are a multitude of unclean and uncircumcised people trampling the beautiful city of Jerusalem—from tourists to terrorists to godless agnostics.]

    To think like Wayne Grudem, to use an example, thinks: i.e. that modern day prophecy legitimately contains an element of error, makes a mockery of genuine biblical prophecy.

    [What do you suppose was the purpose of “The School of the Prophets” in the OT, (1 Sam. 10:5-6; 19:19-24; 2 Kings 3:3, 15; 9:1-3) if not to teach them how to give prophecy more accurately? It was a learning process.

    [I must confess I once tried my skills in prophesying. (This was some sixty years ago.) I had a friend from Bible-school days who was in the hospital dying of cancer. I wrote her a letter in which I stated, “You shall live and not die, and declare the works of the Lord.” The letter was returned to me unopened, with the notation, “Deceased.” I was, of course, saddened by her passing, but relieved that I hadn’t been discovered as a false prophet. I should have been raked over the coals, or taken to a party and gotten stoned.]

    Biblical prophecy was God himself speaking. The human was only the mouthpiece, but the words were entirely from God.

    [Not only Biblical prophecy, but all true prophecy is the Lord Himself speaking through human mouth-pieces (as you put it), or through heavenly messengers, dreams, visions, or first-hand encounters. He has never stopped speaking throughout all these generations. Although God’s utterances are always perfect, they are transmitted through imperfect messengers to less than perfect people who have imperfect understandings.]

    You give as your example Dumitru Duduman. [Congratulations on getting his name spelled right.] First of all, Duduman claims he gets his prophecies from angels. So God doesn’t speak to him its spirit beings who give him information. OK, but the information the spirit beings give would have to be in total conformity with scripture, right? Duduman said among many other things that his wife would take over his ministry. That proved false. Biblically he made himself a false prophet at that moment and nothing further should have been heeded from this man from that point forward.

    [Here you have me stumped. I have searched through Dumitru’s book, Through the Fire Without Burning, and his recorded visions, for every reference to his wife, and I didn’t come up with a single reference that even remotely approximates a prophecy that she would take over his ministry. So, could you please clue me in as to where you got that and give me the quote if possible. I honestly suspect he was either intentionally or unintentionally misquoted—after all, English was not his native tongue. He could hardly speak it at all.

    [We’re talking about a very humble man who suffered greatly for smuggling Bibles into Romania and Russia. He was often caught, beaten—sometimes to within an inch of his life—suffered unspeakable torture, had his fingers squeezed into doorjambs, was beaten unconscious on several occasions, deprived of sleep for days on end, thrown into a freezing dungeon with practically no clothing or blankets, had several ribs broken, forced to submit to an evil experiment of truth-telling electronic equipment and brain-washing techniques to wipe out all vestiges of belief in God—fourteen years of inhuman, sadistic torture!

    [I’m sorry, but I can’t dismiss him that easily as being a false prophet. I would be thoroughly ashamed of myself. I fear God and don’t speak lightly of His anointed servants. Yes, in the end, the Lord gave Him the victory over his enemies and he was eventually forced to leave Romania with his family as a persona non grata—on the very year, month, day and hour that the archangel Gabriel had foretold.]

    Can you please tell me one correct prophecy he uttered? Just one?

    [Okay, Here’s one: On August 10, 1991, an angel came to Dumitru and told him things that would soon happen. Saddam Hussein would restart a war. His plan was to go against Israel and use nuclear weapons of mass destruction, but the United States would intervene. Saddam Hussein died 12/30/2006. He never got to launch weapons of mass destruction against Israel.

    [This next one took one year to be fulfilled: Dumitru was told by Gabriel that revolutionaries in Romania would oust Communist president Nicolae Ceausescu, which happened on December 22, 1989, eventually bringing a sense of greater freedom to that beleaguered nation.

    [This last one has not happened yet, but seems close on the horizon of something soon to occur:

    [It will start with the world calling for peace. Then there will be an internal revolution in America—instigated by the Communists. Some people will start fighting against the Government. While the Government is being occupied with this internal revolt, then America will be attacked from the oceans, from Russia, Cuba, Nicaragua, Central America, Mexico—and two other unidentified countries. The Russians will bomb the nuclear missile silos. America will burn.]

    And remember the biblical standard is one hundred percent accuracy or the prophet was ordered by God to be put to death.

    [I’ve already shown that not all biblical prophecies were 100% literally accurate. Jonah’s doom prophecy over Nineveh didn’t happen in the 40-day time-frame allotted. It happened over a hundred years later when a new godless generation lived in the city. Should Jonah have been put to death because the inhabitants of the city repented? And other Bible prophecies may yet be fulfilled in the future, but their expected fulfillment was thousands of years off.]

    And his grandson Michael Boldea follows in his father’s footsteps as a false messenger of God. Just look at the interviews Mr. Boldea does, and the websites he frequents. All the Wiles-Quayle-Leal-Perez type, who have been documented here and on other discernment blogs to be false prophets.

    [I don’t know anything about the Wiles-Quayle-Leal-Perez type, except what I read in your blog. Neither do I know anything about Maurice Sklar, again, except what you have posted. But I do know Michael Boldea and the Hand of Help Ministry which he heads up. In fact, my wife has dedicated most of her spare time to gathering up discarded clothing which she washes, mends,and packs into boxes to be shipped to the orphanages and poor people Hand of Help ministers to in Romania. Last year our church sent an entire semi-load of clothing, especially blankets, to these orphanages.

    [So, whatever bad things you believe about this evil man, maybe God will have mercy on him because of his hands-on concern for these widows and orphans. I can tell you this much. He doesn’t put a prophetic ministry anything like a priority in his life. In fact, he accused me of being one of those “prophecy buffs” when I asked him what he thought might be the outcome of the Obama presidency. Of course, it was all in friendly jest.]

    You stated…”We have no biblical excuse for denying our loving Heavenly Father and Jesus our Lord their divine right to speak personally with believers today.”

    [You becha! I’d stake my life on it!]

    So standing up for the inerrancy of scripture to you is “denying” our loving Heavenly Father?”

    [You bring up a good point! But I don’t know if I even used the word “inerrancy.” That’s a bit above my pay grade. If you mean by inerrancy that there are absolutely no errors in the King James Version of the Bible, then we can discuss that in greater depth. But if you mean the inerrancy of the non-existent “original autographs,” then I would have to say your belief cannot be addressed objectively. It has to accepted purely on faith. But if you are one of those KJV-only buffs—which I don’t think you are because I believe you quote from other versions—then I am prepared to address the subject, having done a bit of research on it.

    To me it is quite the opposite. It is standing up for the truth he has left us with, and denying the lies and deceit which emanate from the wicked human heart and masquerade as His truth.

    [The issue isn’t so much the idea of inerrancy of scripture that bothers me as the concept of sola scriptura—in other words, a closed canon. To me that’s an affront on the holy and sovereign nature of Father God, who longs to communicate with His children in the most intimate and positive ways, but is no longer allowed to—at least not in any meaningful way. It’s like putting these words in His mouth: “Don’t expect to hear from Me; go read your Bible; that’s the only way you’re going to hear from Me.” My premise is that this idea of a closed canon is totally lacking in scriptural support.]

    As to your attack on the inerrancy of the canon of scripture, in which you strongly implied that it was merely a political and human-guided process that led to what is called scripture today, and many inspired books were left out due to this haphazard process of selection, I refer you to these comments from “gotquestions.org.”

    [S. Michael Houdmann and Jason Winn of eBible.com and gotquestions.org are great Bible scholars and I get messages from them almost daily. I often put in my two-cents worth. So far, I’ve been awarded several “Teacher’s” medallions, even one or two “Apostle” awards. I’ve been surprised at their willingness to post all of my off-the-wall comments.

    [My attack, again, is on the closed nature of the canon. As though God had already given us enough revelation, and is tired of speaking to us directly. He’d rather not be bothered, so, instead He gave us a book to bottle-feed us. If your concept were supported by the Word of God, I’d have to buy into it, but it’s not—far from it! There is zero proof—if you take the Bible at face value and don’t mess with the contents—which comes any-where near dictating the cutting the lines of communication with Almighty God.]

    Referring to the book of Enoch:
    The Book of Enoch is any of several pseudepigraphal (falsely attributed works, texts whose claimed authorship is unfounded) works that attribute themselves to Enoch, the great-grandfather of Noah; that is, Enoch son of Jared (Genesis 5:18). Enoch is also one of the two people in the Bible taken up to heaven without dying (the other being Elijah), as the Bible says “And Enoch walked with God, and he was not; for God took him.” (Genesis 5:24; see also Hebrews 11:5). Most commonly, the phrase “Book of Enoch” refers to 1 Enoch, which is wholly extant only in the Ethiopic language.
    The biblical book of Jude quotes from the Book of Enoch in verses 14-15, “Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men: ‘See,the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones to judge everyone, and to convict all the ungodly of all the ungodly acts they have done in the ungodly way, and of all the harsh words ungodly sinners have spoken against him.’” But this does not mean the Book of Enoch is inspired by God and should be in the Bible.
    Jude’s quote is not the only quote in the Bible from a non-biblical source. The Apostle Paul quotes Epimenides in Titus 1:12 but that does not mean we should give any additional authority to Epimenides’ writings. The same is true with Jude, verses 14-15. Jude quoting from the book of Enoch does not indicate the entire Book of Enoch is inspired, or even true. All it means is that particular verse is true.
    It is interesting to note that no scholars believe the Book of Enoch to have truly been written by the Enoch in the Bible. Enoch was seven generations from Adam, prior to the Flood (Genesis 5:1-24). Evidently, though, this was genuinely something that Enoch prophesied – or the Bible would not attribute it to him, “Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men…” (Jude 14). This saying of Enoch was evidently handed down by tradition, and eventually recorded in the Book of Enoch.
    We should treat the Book of Enoch (and the other books like it) in the same manner we do the other Apocryphal writings. Some of what the Apocrypha says is true and correct, but at the same time, much of it is false and historically inaccurate. If you read these books, you have to treat them as interesting but fallible historical documents, not as the inspired, authoritative Word of God.

    [It just so happens that I have the Book of Enoch right in front of me. I’ve been in the process of retyping it into modern English—for my own benefit, of course. My only complaint is the very small print. I almost have to get a magnifying glass to properly see it. Enoch is one of my Bible heroes. He represents the epitome of faith, and showed us the way to overcome sin and death—by walking and talking with God!

    [Evangelical scholars are quick to trash anything that has been excluded or evicted from the closed canon. And their attack, although scholarly, is avidly biased.
    I mean by this, they don’t use the same criteria to authenticate or discard any of the canonical books. For example, the Book of Hebrews—which we are going through in our Bible studies at the present time. My NIV Amplified includes this introductory comment:
    “Author: Paul, Luke, Barnabas, Apollos, Silas, Philip, Priscilla, and others have been suggested because the name of the author is not given in the Biblical text itself.”

    [And who wrote Genesis? Did Moses write all of it? If he did, he wrote his own obituary—after the fact. Even some Evangelical scholars suggest that Moses merely collected a selection of parchments, or whatever they wrote on in those days, and then compiled them into one volume. Scholars also claim there are at least four different styles, and part of the book is a-Mosaica, meaning during Moses’ lifetime, and part of it was written post-Mosaica, meaning after Moses had died. But questions of authorship have not kept it out-of-bounds. Even though Jesus referred to it as the Book of Moses, that was how it had come to be recognized—He was not necessarily affirming its specific authorship.]

    Referring to the book of Jasher:

    [I have the Book of Jasher bound in the same volume with the Book of Enoch, but I haven’t read or studied it. So, I’m in no position to give any knowledgeable input on it, except to say it was probably excluded for the same reasons that the Book of Enoch was evicted—not based on contents or truthfulness, but on questions of authorship. But as I have already pointed out, Hebrew and Genesis are in the same boat. Did God exclude them? Or did man?

    [Mr. Ellis, thanks again for responding, and trying your best to straighten me out. Maybe you can still teach an old dog new tricks, but I wouldn’t count on it. Anyhow, God bless you and your ministry. May you have a harvest of many souls won for the kingdom of heaven! Shalom! Dan]

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