Rick Wiles Promotes New “Prophecy” From Maurice Sklar

It is certainly true that you can’t teach an old dog new tricks. The ones in the Christian church who have contributed the most to the area of false prophecy and leading the children of God astray in the past couple of decades are the ones who continue today to be the Pied Pipers of falsehood, profanely issued in the holy name of our Lord. So it was not surprising when someone pointed out a new “prophecy” had been issued by prolific false prophet Dr. Maurice Sklar. And it just seemed to fall into place that the main showcase for his issue of this would be Rick Wiles’  Trunews radio program, which has been for almost 15 years now a source of some of the most outlandish and self-serving blather ever to be labeled “Christian.”

I will go through some of this one hour interview from the March 18th 2014 Trunews broadcast, as it provides a unique opportunity to highlight the deep errors of both men and how profound is the damage they do to the Christian faith. How deeply both these men offend and profane the Lord Jesus Christ, and bring a torrent of  disrespect down upon Christians everywhere. Here we will examine lie after lie, heaped upon self-exaltation after self-exaltation, with the end result being the glorification of no one but these two men themselves.

Maurice Sklar InterviewTrunews radio March 18th 2014

Interview of Maurice Sklar :

http://www.trunews.com/Audio/3_18_14_tuesday_trunews2.mp3

I will keep a timeline for reference to the interview in the commentary.

0.00 – 2:22 Mr. Wiles retells the story of how his ministry was “birthed” by a calling from the Holy Spirit in a vision while working for TBN Christian network. Now it is a topic in itself how TBN has conducted itself since its inception by the late Dr. Paul Crouch, but it is sufficient for these purposes to realize TBN has been the source of some of the most profane false prophets the church has ever seen. Their star program, with by far the highest viewership, is This Is Your Day with Benny Hinn. Anyone who doesn’t see a huge red flag here need not continue with this commentary as it will be a waste of your time.

2:39 – 3:00 The self-exaltation of the false teacher often comes out early in his message, and this is no exception. After boasting of his own spiritual experience at TBN, he boasts about one his daughter had. “That same night, my daughter was visited by Jesus Christ. She said it wasn’t a dream.” So if it wasn’t a dream, the Lord Jesus Christ appeared in the flesh at her bedside? (please note: this is not about whether these things occurred or not, it is about whether a true man of God would be boasting about them, or even speaking about them in any manner.) The Lord revealed to her he would speak to her about the last days in dreams and visions. Her mission, and that of her father, would be to warn the body of Christ of the dire consequences coming to America if the country did not repent.

3:45 “Early September 1998 I walked out the door of TBN……this radio program was birthed on one station in Dallas………I’ve been on radio ever since, retelling the story”. Lets examine what Mr. Wiles was actually telling us at this time of the birth of his new radio show with its calling “to reveal the word of God in warning the nation to repentance.”

While I don’t know of the existence of any actual recordings of his early shows, I think we can be sure of what his main topic was in the first 12 to 15 months of the show: the Y2K “doomsday event” that was going to shut down computers worldwide and cause a “global economic and technological meltdown.”

His book “Judgment Day 2000 – How the Coming Computer Crash Will Radically Change Your Life” was released in 1998. You can still sometimes find it on Amazon, and it provides a great glimpse into the mind of one of the most popular false prophets of our times. It demonstrates how showmanship, not the truth, has always been the guiding light behind this man and the key to his popularity. Not much time needs to be wasted on this book, but suffice it to say that at 323 pages, it is one of the most elaborately detailed false prophecies of all recorded history.

Some chapters in his 1998 book speak of conspiracy theories he still today brings up on the radio show. The invasion of Russian Spetznatz commandos, the solar tornadoes, meteor storms, embedded microchips, Russian nukes, health care crisis, financial collapse, its all just the same stuff being recycled 15 years later in the hope no one notices.

It is important to see this, because armed with this knowledge of how his ministry came to be, one can be prepared to see the pattern and recognize it today. Then perhaps we can all decide for ourselves if this is a man who gets his information from God or from some other source.

6:50 – start of interview with Dr. Sklar (Wiles fittingly begins with what has become mandatory in the repertoire of the false prophet today, the tedious reference to Joel Chapter 2 v. 28-32 and its “old men will dream dreams, and young men will see visions” as a proof text for modern day prophets. It is nothing of the sort, and as Peter himself explained in his famous sermon, this was  fulfilled on the day of Pentecost itself, saying “this is that” which was uttered through the prophet Joel.  Acts 2:16-21.)

8:00 (Sklar begins by stating that he doesn’t have many prophetic dreams. When the Lord speaks to him it is in the form of visions or words. (Of course, Dr. Sklar, we must not think of anything from you as a mere “dream.” We need to clothe this in much finer linen than that. We need to use language that conveys “flashy reality” and the word “dreams” doesn’t elevate your experience in quite the way you intend to elevate it, Dr. Sklar.)

Sklar begins to read his vision:

. ………This week I had a dream.  It was a terribly frightening dream.  In it, I saw a huge angel standing suspended in the air over New York harbor.  It looked so large that it covered the night sky.  His body was clad in golden armor as if he was going to war.  His face and entire being were so bright that I could not gaze up at him for long.  White beams of light seemed to radiate outward from him in all directions. He was standing over the Statue of Liberty. It was night, but I could hardly see the lights around him coming from New York City as he blazed so brightly with divine light……

Really? We’re going to down this tired road again about the Statue of Liberty destruction vision that started in 1954 with A.A. Allen’s false vision of Liberty destroyed? This has been copied almost word for word by everyone in the false prophecy club for many years, including self-professed “watchman” Nathan Leal.  Anyone familiar with Leal will instantly recognize this is a copy of his “staggering” Statue of Liberty vision, and that both are clearly copies of Allen’s vision.

None of this is to suggest that the Statue of Liberty will never be destroyed. Or that if its destruction eventually occurs, that these prophets will be vindicated. Its about the ministry of Christian preachers, and whether  the commission to preach Christ has been overruled and changed in today’s church to permit a gospel of self to be taught.

Nathan’s drunken Statue of Liberty vision is below: *** http://watchmanscry.com/prophecy_liberty_drunk.html

A variation on this theme where Liberty is decapitated is related by Leal here: http://watchmanscry.com/article_liberty.html

Readers can view A.A.Allen’s original 1954 prophecy here: http://www.miraclevalley.net/gpage6.html and decide whether they think that Allen’s descendants should be sent all royalties and profits gained by Maurice Sklar and Nathan Leal copying his “vision.”

Oh, but the defender of the false prophets will rush in now to declare “That’s because God’s anointed are all being shown the same thing by the Lord.” No. Its because evil minds bent on removing the church from gospel truth think alike.

Readers can see the full Maurice Sklar dream, prophecy, vision, whatever you want to call it, here: http://lit4ever.org/revivalforum/index.php?topic=29448.0

There is virtually nothing new here. basically a new twist, with not only the Statue of Liberty getting whacked, but some novel twists added for color and to gain attention and personal exaltation: instead of the nerve gas enveloping the nation as Allen saw, Sklar posits that “giant rocket missiles” will deliver nuclear explosions.  But of course, not before the mandatory earthquake that literally splits the continent in two.

Well, how can you have a more colorful prophetic vision than one with nuclear explosions happening at the same time as a giant earthquake! Guaranteed to draw attention and glory. But as we will see from the teachings of the apostle Paul, the attention and glory wanted by the author is attention to himself and glory to his  ministry, not the Lord Jesus Christ or the gospel.

No dates are set in Sklar’s prophecy, nor any prophecies being released today.  As we have said often here, no dates will used by false prophets anymore. They too learn from their mistakes. Undated means impossible to prove false.

We have already seen in the past how Dr. Sklar has explained why his previous dated prophetic visions didn’t come to pass: because enough people prayed and God stayed his hand of judgment against the nation. So that will once again be what we hear from Dr. Sklar in future, when none of this new word comes to pass. Along with the fact that no date was placed on this new word, it gives Sklar two insurance policies against ever having to own up to his deceit. And worse, to continue down this terrible course he has chosen of defaming the Lord.

49:10 Dr. Sklar again plays on a source of great pride to him that often comes up in his interviews and published works: the claim that some years ago he was lifted up to heaven. Golly, how we lesser mortals must gush and lift up Maurice because he is such a spiritually advanced man that these lofty experiences are reserved for him and other great Christians like Rick Wiles. We can only sigh in admiration of these outstanding spiritual achievements.

A.A. Allen’s “prophetic” vision has now celebrated its 60th anniversary this year without fulfillment.

Since Sklar’s prophecy is just a variation on previous false prophecies given by his ministry, Leal’s ministry, A.A. Allen’s ministry, and countless others, I’ll leave it to the reader to decide how much time to spend on the details, but in summary we heard in the interview about 50 minutes of nothing but experiences of these two men. Wiles with the lofty experiences of him and his family members, and Sklar with his high definition visions and his luxury-class trip to heaven. The focus was entirely on spiritual experiences and how God has lifted them up to lofty positions in his church, and how they are “humbly” carrying out their Godly assignments and missions.

About 5 to 7 minutes is tacked on at the end where Sklar and Wiles both speak clearly about Christ, the cross, and the ACTUAL gospel. All in line with what deceivers do, as they come as angels of light, not wearing horns. Of course there will be some real gospel tacked on at the end.

I would like to spend some time unpacking some remarkable things Paul taught the church at Corinth. I think it speaks volumes about what we see with many of these false internet ministries today, and fits perfectly with this rather typical Wiles interview we are dealing with which was given on this so-called Christian radio show.

Paul To the Church At Corinth: “Beware of the Super-Apostles”

In 2 Corinth. Chap. 11 Paul puts out a very powerful word to the church about those who were coming to destroy the work done by Paul in planting the church there, and the work of the real apostles. These false apostles came in the name of Christ, and said all the right things to be believed, but their focus in a subtle way took Paul’s beloved congregation at Corinth  away from the Lord and onto themselves.

I marvel at Paul’s use of biting sarcasm at many points in his letters to Corinth. He calls these false apostles “super apostles.” (2 Cor. 11:5, 2 Cor. 12:11)

These false apostles use their spiritual experiences, or at least their versions of these events, to boast and lift themselves up. These super apostles in the apostolic age would go into the church as soon as Paul left, and undo what truth had been laid down, and replace it with error.  Nowhere more than at Corinth did this happen. There are many parallels to be seen between the church at Corinth and the modern day church’s lifting up of signs and wonders. As we will see clearly from Paul, this was not minor error that needed just a superficial adjustment, it was core error that was threatening to take the church away from Christ.

In 2 Cor. Chap. 11 verses. 7 to 15 Paul is outlining the contrast between the true apostles and the false apostles, who had come in claiming to be of Christ but who were not. The contrast Paul makes between the true and false apostles is to show that the true apostles were grounded in three things: truth, love, and humility. A true apostle will be humble to the point of being self-effacing. Just look at a teacher’s life. As John MacArthur points out:

Just look when you’re assessing whether someone is a true or a false teacher.  Do you see humility or do you see pride?  Do you see a person sacrificing his life to give away the truth with only regard for service to others?  Or do you see one who is building an empire, building an estate, becoming rich, one who is parading his…his authority, one who is always right, one who demands that we bow before him, one who wants almost to be worshiped and adored?  Those are the questions. *

When I read Paul’s letter to Corinth, and apply these standards here, I see clearly who is being lifted up by these men, and its not Christ. It is themselves. Please refer to my previous article on Maurice Sklar, where he describes his “visit to heaven” in revealing detail. Since he brought it up again, I guess it means he wants us to have another look at it. Some excerpts of his journey to heaven:

……….. we reached a flat plateau overlooking what looked like the Swiss or Bavarian Alps.  It was covered with perfectly manicured grass.  We were standing in front of a golden gate that had filigree work all over it.  Over the top was my name:  “Maury Sklar” engraved in that same kind of stone/glass/gold on a rectangular plate.  It was covered with precious stones and shimmered and glittered in the late afternoon sun.  I was in awe!……..

…………….To one side, there was a vault-like door, and in it were dozens of great stringed instruments.  Some had been made for me, and one place was open, where the Lord had promised me that He would make a violin for me and I could watch, after I get there to heaven!…………..

……………..He seemed like a Man now, though I knew He was the LORD.  He said to me, “Maury, I want you to see the Great Hall of the Crowns.”  Suddenly, we were at a large castle of some sort.  It looked like Buckingham Palace, Versailles, and the Taj Mahal all at the same time.  (I know that sounds strange, but that is what it looked like to me.)  I was stunned at the majesty of this building……………

……………..The angel quietly spoke in my ear.  This is a concert in your honor.  The composer, Gustav Mahler is here in heaven.  He has composed a symphony for you.  Then the Lord came out on stage and conducted!  As he entered, the whole audience bowed in worship and reverenced His Presence.  Then, when the music started, I went into a realm of ecstasy that I cannot describe in words.  But the music was like a living movie or a vision.  I listened and I saw many good things that I had done to love people on earth…………………….

The readers can safely decide for themselves who is being lifted up here. Is this not the same phenomenon Paul was dealing with in the church in Corinth and the invasion of the super apostles? The lifting up of one’s spiritual experiences, the exaltation of self, the boasting, all of these things are from the enemy Satan. These false teachers are not just misguided people with error in their doctrine, they are agents of the devil. Paul is saying that they are more than just gifted windbags, they are emissaries of Satan.

Paul didn’t pull any punches in speaking out about these types, because he knew how dangerous they are. When a man is full of himself, there is little room for the spirit of God to dwell in him.

13 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. 15 So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds. …..2 Cor. 11:13-15

Paul doesn’t care about being politically correct, and fears not to offend the sensibilities of those listening. Imagine the impact this had on those false teachers when his letters were read in the church. We need to emulate Paul, in that we need to take a stand against demonic influences taking hold in the church today. So many today recognize the error, but are so daunted by the possibility of being called a blasphemer of the Holy Spirit, they look the other way.  The signs and wonder movement has made such inroads and gained so much territory and influence in the church in the past 100 years, that they are to an alarming extent able to control and prevent any serious opposition from forming against them and their movement.

If you speak out, realize that you will be called out as one who spreads disunity among the flock. You will be called a person with a “vendetta” against God’s anointed. Even those who normally have good discernment skills will say you are denying the “power” of the Holy Spirit. But lets use Paul as our guide in these matters: he refused to boast about his spiritual experiences, but instead happily boasted of his weaknesses.

30 If I must boast, I will boast of the things that show my weakness. 2 Cor. 11:20

But Paul was very glad to speak of his weaknesses. He knew the folly of boasting of one’s deeds and experiences after seeing the resurrected Lord. He is free in telling all he is a former blasphemer, a persecutor, a murderer, an enemy of Jesus Christ.  What Paul doesn’t want to do is boast about his credentials. And he could have easily done so. But instead, in verses 22 to 29, Paul tells of his hardships endured. Shipwrecks, lashings, hunger, thirst, cold, exposure, toil, hardship. Even being let down in a basket to escape Damascus. Paul is saying “I will boast of those things which show my weakness.”

Paul “Boasts”,  So That Corinth Will See the Error of Boasting

 

I must go on boasting. Though there is nothing to be gained by it, I will go on to visions and revelations of the Lord. I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven—whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows. And I know that this man was caught up into paradise—whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows— and he heard things that cannot be told, which man may not utter. On behalf of this man I will boast, but on my own behalf I will not boast, except of my weaknesses— though if I should wish to boast, I would not be a fool, for I would be speaking the truth; but I refrain from it, so that no one may think more of me than he sees in me or hears from me. 2 Cor. Chapter 12 v.1-6

In further exhibition of his ability to use emphatic language that really “bites” and impacts the listener, here Paul is actually “boasting” in order to compare righteous boasting for the glory of God, to the destructive boasting of the false teachers about their spiritual experiences.

Of all the men there, Paul had the most reason to boast of his spiritual experiences. He had actually been lifted up to heaven. He amazingly describes this in the third person. Its only by verse 7 that we realize he is referring to himself and his experience! He refuses to give detail, not even saying if it was in body or spirit when he was lifted up! Contrast this to modern day accounts of “trips to heaven” and the intricate detail we are given by those who would exalt themselves in the telling of these things.

Another sharp contrast between Paul and what today’s false teachers do. Paul’s lifting up to heaven had  occurred fourteen years before. Can a modern day “prophet” or “apostle” not even speak a word about an experience like this for fourteen years? And even then, Paul was very reluctantly speaking of it to hammer home a point to a church that was losing the gospel of Christ to the visions and signs.

On top of this is the fact that there is serious doubt about the truthfulness of modern stories of trips to heaven, but that’s another topic altogether. Paul simply closes the book on what must have been a truly wondrous event, by saying he heard things “which man must not utter”. (2 Cor. 12:5) No lifting up of self here, no prideful bragging about “look what God did for me.” Quite the opposite: ……. “we must not speak of such things. ”

………..if I should wish to boast, I would not be a fool, for I would be speaking the truth; but I refrain from it, so that no one may think more of me than he sees in me or hears from me.

Paul really had good reason to boast, and it would have been entirely truthful if he had done so, but he underlines the point that we are not to raise up our experiences high onto lofty places, lest no man then exalt the man and the experience. What a lesson for today’s false teachers. Then Paul in my view really makes an emphatic statement by telling that he would rather boast about the thorn sent to him:

v. 7-10 So to keep me from becoming conceited because of the surpassing greatness of the revelations,a thorn was given me in the flesh, a messenger of Satan to harass me, to keep me from becoming conceited. Three times I pleaded with the Lord about this, that it should leave me. But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly of my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may rest upon me. 10 For the sake of Christ, then, I am content with weaknesses, insults, hardships, persecutions, and calamities. For when I am weak, then I am strong.

Three times the great Apostle Paul prayed that God would remove the thorn, and God did not relent. What a blow to the gospel of “name it and claim it!” What a blow to the word faith healers like Benny Hinn! Who had more faith than Paul, who had seen the resurrected Christ on the road to Damascus? The idea that God’s GRACE is sufficient really grinds in the ears of the false teachers.

The end result: Paul glorified God in taking the suffering as God’s way of preventing him from becoming boastful! Today’s false teachers do exactly the opposite: they use spiritual experiences in order that they may be exalted by their fellow church members! In this personal uplifting, church members are steered away from Jesus Christ, and onto doctrines of man.

The church at Corinth was so much like today’s church. Common distinguishing markers were infatuation with the spiritual gifts, and esteeming one another by the measure of each other’s spiritual experiences. Paul saw so much disorder at Corinth he had to implement rules about orderly conduct. (1 Cor. 14:33)

Paul had to step in and make rules to tame the unruly and unholy desire to make the gifts the center of the church. He ruled that only two, and at most three, should speak in tongues at a service. Only one could speak at a time. Another must always interpret what is spoken in a manner intelligible to the members. (1 Cor. 14:27-28)

How this rule is openly flaunted by churches today! Any church, and by extension, any internet ministry, that conducts itself in a chaotic manner is to be avoided. Jumping from one story line to another is one example of discord and confusion we see with many of the news/gospel programs on the air today. Fifty minutes of human experience mixed with 5 minutes of gospel, and a Christian label attached to it, is standard fare, and lapped up like milk by the followers, when it is actually spiritual poison. These are things that are sewn from the seeds of Satan’s attack on the modern day church, and as demonic influences they have made huge inroads and scored big successes.

Since the closing of the Canon of scripture, Satan has been focusing his schemes on ways to steer men away from the gospel, because only by doing so can he claim victory. Satan is totally comfortable with today’s Christian “visions and dreams” ministries. Satan wins every time he can steal an hour of a person’s time by having them listen to man-centered doctrine concerning trivia such as visions of earthquakes, tsunamis, suitcase nukes, nephilim, Obama’s communist leanings, or whatever the soup-de-jour of the Rick Wiles-Steve Quayle-Nathan Leal gang happens to be on any given day.

How powerfully Paul puts this to the church in Cor. 11 verses 3 and 4.

But I am afraid that as the serpent deceived Eve by his cunning, your thoughts will be led astray from a sincere and pure devotion to Christ. For if someone comes and proclaims another Jesus than the one we proclaimed, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or if you accept a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it readily enough.

Here Paul is talking about some men who had come into the church, supposedly  possessing a higher authority, a higher pedigree, a higher experience. They were preaching another gospel, another Jesus, another spirit. Here we see Satan at work, leading the church away from her steadfast devotion to Christ. These were people who sounded like apostles, and seemed to say all the right things, but were actually leading people astray.

“And You Put Up With It Readily Enough”

And with his biting sarcasm, Paul drills home the point by saying “and you put up with it readily enough.” 

So many today think that Pentecost and the early days of the church was a time where the “outpouring” of the Holy Spirit had caused such an emotional stir that it lent an air and attitude of wide openness and permissiveness in points of doctrine. That it was a time when “anything goes” and “just let the spirit lead you where it will” were the guiding affections. Quite the opposite was true. The doctrine of the church was set, in the person and work of Christ, as expounded by the apostles. Nowhere was it acceptable to adapt the Christian faith to go in any direction that the believer “felt led.”

The way the foundations of the church were laid down it was never intended to be a free-for-all where anyone who claimed to have the spirit could just say whatever he wanted to.

41 So those who received his word were baptized, and there were added that day about three thousand souls. 42 And they devoted themselves to the apostles’ teaching and the fellowship, to the breaking of bread and the prayers. Acts 2

But soon the “super apostles” led the church away from its foundational roots because of a fascination with gifts and personal power. The false apostles hated Paul because they hated the message he brought of humility and suffering for the gospel. “We’re a power Jesus” they cried. There was little place in this boasting, super Christian mentality for the suffering of the cross. They had this other gospel, this new way of relating to God, and a magnetic and alluring wonder-worker fervor had settled in through the satanic false teachers. And thus, they had little tolerance for Paul’s message of “strength in weakness,” thinking it foolishness.

In reading these remarkable verses, we see in Corinth they were already breaking away from the gospel of the cross, and setting up this new regime which was far from Christ-centered. It was man-centered and focused on the evaluation of each man in the church according to the perceived value of his spiritual gifts and experiences, and the elevation of each to that particular level of supposed spiritual attainment.

One commentator has put it this way: “Any Corinthian with a spark of humanity, not to say Christian conviction, left in him must have blushed to see held up before him the picture of himself in his conceited self-importance and the picture of Paul and his apostolic colleagues, the despised, scorned, suffering, but undaunted servants of Christ, the church, and mankind.”

Lest anyone be deceived by the false apostles, the deceitful workers, Paul points out the folly of following anyone but Christ:

for you are still of the flesh. For while there is jealousy and strife among you, are you not of the flesh and behaving only in a human way? For when one says, “I follow Paul,” and another, “I follow Apollos,” are you not being merely human? 1 Cor. 3:3-4

For the foundation of faith cannot be laid on the shifting sands of human experiences, but must be laid upon the bedrock of the gospel of Jesus Christ, once for all delivered to the saints:

12 Now if anyone builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw— 13 each one’s work will become manifest, for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed by fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. 1 Cor. 3:12-13

Today we see the extreme evolution of these early church errors into a prideful signs, wonders, healing, and tongues mania which is responsible for turning more souls away from Christ and the Word of God than even Satan himself could have dreamed for. The showboats with the flashiest tales of signs and wonders still rule.

And as in Corinth, we put up with it readily enough.

 

All blessings in Christ,

JD Ellis

 

* John MacArthur – Grace To You Ministry…. “Marks of a False Apostle.”

 

 

 

 

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88 Responses to Rick Wiles Promotes New “Prophecy” From Maurice Sklar

  1. Joshua says:

    I will seriously consider what you’ve written about Rick Wiles. I’ve listened to him for about 4 years. While I hate to think the worst of anyone, this information is alarming.

    You also mentioned that you went through an Alex Jones phase and a Christian fear mongering stage. Your honesty is appreciated.

    I stopped listening to Alex Jones years ago and recently lost any trust I had of him. I’ve listened to Steve Quayle, the Hagmanns, etc (never accepted Leal). It does seem as if God is now calling me away from them and back to His Word and daily time in prayer. Part is seen in Him opening my eyes to the stunted or lack of growth I’ve endured subjecting myself to hours of listening. There seems to be nothing new. Every show I listen to seems to be just an hour or three of rehashed fear mongering.

    I will ponder this and prayerfully consider what is recorded at this site. Thank you.

  2. Hi Joshua. If you have spent years listening to these fear mongers, then it is time to cast them aside. As you state, NOTHING is ever new with these people. It is just new twists and spins on the same tired stories, just modified to more closely match whatever happens to be in the news.

    Imagine how much you could really advance in discernment and knowing God’s word if you now start to devote the same number of hours to diligent study of the things of God, and to prayer? God exposes us to these internet heresies to make us grow in wisdom and discernment. Sounds like the veil is being lifted, and I strongly encourage you to join the ranks of the many hundreds of former fear fanatics who have freed themselves of this demonic addiction.

    All blessings to you in your journey,
    JD Ellis

  3. Joshua says:

    I certainly appreciate what you’ve written. And the sentence “Imagine how much you could really advance in discernment and knowing God’s word if you now start to devote the same number of hours to diligent study of the things of God, and to prayer?” was like water to me in my current spiritual desert. Very, very true.

    As a matter of fact, about 3 weeks ago or so, I was led to turn off all talk radio.

    Thank you for your kind response.

    Joshua

  4. That’s great to hear, and may God bless you. It is a work of the devil that so many Christians absorb themselves completely in this talk show madness. It represents victory for the evil one if he can get thousands of believers chasing after these fear and conspiracy tales. Even if all the conspiracies are true, if we truly hold God’s written word above all else, we have the armor of righteousness which can defeat every evil plan. It is knowledge of God’s word, not an understanding of the intricate details of every worldly conspiracy, which will free us.

    JD Ellis

  5. Joshua says:

    Well said! God bless you, too.

  6. Johan says:

    Hi there JD. Writing to you from South Africa. I read through the comments made by others and you and found them well argued, Biblically sound and without error in language-yet sterile, academic and perhaps even idealistic. Now I predict this comment wont get posted. Please do post this as I would really appreciate a reply. This is not written to “stir”. I am searching for knowledge in order to improve my own effectiveness in teaching the gospel- to the best of my ability.

    Thousands of people around the world have had their ears and eyes opened by talk show people such as Quayle, Leal, Lankford and Perez- to name a few. It typically happens as follows.

    1. Realise there is something wrong in the world. Lawlessness abounds.
    2.We are entertained to the point of stupidity.
    3.Caught up in hedonism, humanism and entitlements.
    4.Look for others who also feel like an alien on a strange planet.
    5.Discover conspiracy theory, realise not all is true- nor false. What should I believe?
    6.Realise we as mankind are in trouble-attacked by Satan and his minions.A battle between good and evil. Discover prophecy.
    7.Become worried and fearful to a point of repentance.
    8.Read Bible. Pray. Attend church. Get baptised. Realise church does not preach repentance, or prophecy. Realise average pastor has limited willingness as to how to preach the fear of the Lord.
    9.Do bible study in evenings with family.
    10.Receive the Holy Spirit, mind of Christ and hunger to seek the face of God.

    Some experiences may differ in sequence. The end result was the working of the Spirit though. The Spirit can work in many ways. I believe that man of 2015 needs to have his proverbial cage rattled. People like mentioned above do this. It would be preferential could pastors have done this. It seems that they are mostly-never to generalise though-ineffective in assisting their flock to turn from sin.

    Despite the church’s efforts more and more are falling away from God. I believe that Paul, Peter and Stephen preached a controversial message-uncompromising and unpopular. They were not without fault though. They got angry, discouraged and scared at times. They were ridiculed. But they were EFFECTIVE.

    Nobody can claim to possess an interpretation of perfect doctrine. Neither can well-meaning folk like you do. The people above have led hundreds of thousands of non-believers back to Christ even though they are just men who surely err somewhere along the line. They are getting their hands dirty for God- like bulls in china shops. They are winning souls by providing ears and hearts for the Spirit to work on. How many souls have each of us help save?

    God bless
    Johan Lombard

  7. Hi Johan.
    Never, ever, have I seen the sequence of events occur as you list them. I am not aware of anyone who came to Christ AFTER listening to, and as a result of, listening to fear mongers of the internet. The sequence I have witnessed usually goes like this:

    (1) Begin to read through parts of the Bible and listen to Christ-centered people, either in sermons or publications.
    (2) Become more interested and begin to attend Christian churches.
    (3) Accept Christ as savior through the intercession of the Holy Spirit
    (4) Become Baptized
    (5) Totally immerse oneself in God’s word, and begin to advance spiritually, with the fruit of one’s regeneration showing visibly in one’s life.
    (6) Get referred by a friend to some internet fear monger talk shows, being told they are “Christian”, and will advance our walk with Christ.
    (7) Start listening to about an hour a day at first, becoming intrigued by all this “direct information” God is apparently giving the emcees of these talkshows.
    (8) Become convinced these people are really hearing from God, and that it is necessary to listen as often as possible to them, and support them financially, believing this daily update of “fresh revelation” is surely much more important and relevant to the Christian than what God put in a book 2,000 years ago.
    (9) Reduce time in God’s written word drastically, as the internet fear shows take up almost all of the new convert’s waking time, and become essentially one’s entire walk with Christ.
    (10) Engage others, not with the good news of the gospel as commissioned by Christ, but with conspiracy news, and dreams and visions from men’s heads, while constantly enumerating reasons why we should all be very fearful and doubt our ability to persevere in the times ahead. At this point, the new believer basically abandons all faith in the Bible as God’s revealed truth to man, and turns his life entirely over to these “ministries”, becoming addicted to the spirit of fear.

    I am speaking from personal experience. I bailed out around step 7 or 8, when I realized that the spirit of fear for one’s worldly material condition was not of God. I know many people who have gone all the way to step 10, and show no sign of ever recovering their true Christian faith, having chosen to set up camp permanently in the valley of fear.

    So you see, Johan, they are very far from being the heroes of the faith which you hold them up to be. ……“They are getting their hands dirty for God- like bulls in china shops. They are winning souls by providing ears and hearts for the Spirit to work on.” ……The Holy Spirit doesn’t need false prophets to get the ears and hearts of men ready to hear his message. That is done through the preaching of the gospel and the consequent regenerating work of the Holy Spirit. We don’t change the way God has chosen for his message to be preached and for his people to be reached. He chose to put all his revelation in a book, and he chose common, simple, and humble men to preach the Word and spread the good news of the Gospel. Notice how I said “good” news??

    Do you sense the spirit of humility when you listen to the blowhard braggards of Christian fearmongering? I sure don’t. And apart from reading a verse or two at the close of each show, none of the people you mention spend any appreciable amount of time preaching the Word, which is the designated method of reaching souls for Christ.

    You have it reversed. The non-believer would have no interest in listening to Christian internet talk radio shows. It is not the shows which bring about their conversion. I do not believe the majority of the audience for Nathan Leal, Augusto Perez, Rick Wiles, or Steve Quayle are Hindu, Buddhist, Islamic, Mormon, or atheist. The vast majority of the audience for these shows are people who have already in some sense taken the first steps on the path of Christianity. The problem is that being so new to the faith they are vulnerable to the false teachings of people like this.

    Although God CAN use false prophets and fear mongers to bring souls to him, since God can do anything. Even I was brought to a saving faith indirectly through my reading of a New Age book years ago. I wonder in amazement at God’s ability to use such unlikely means. But in no way do I “credit” the uninspired book, or the false prophet, or the fear monger as doing the work like you are saying. It is in SPITE of them, not because of them, that people are saved.

    Jesus and the apostles WARN us about the doctrines of man and that we are to test all things. They WARN us of the danger of false teaching. They don’t tell us to hunger for this falsehood and seek after it. They tell us to avoid it. These people are getting their hands dirty, you are right about that, but that won’t redeem them at judgment day. Their end will be the end foretold throughout the New Testament as being the sure end of all false teachers, and that is the lake of fire.

    All blessings in Christ,
    JD Ellis

  8. Johan says:

    Hi JD

    Thank you for the prompt reply. My sequence of events REALLY happened as a personal experience. No delusions-God is listening and following even this writing I am doing.

    If you were once saved, points 1-5, you should ask yourself why points 6-10 then happened. Were you then really newly-born if you backslid? You sequence is exactly the same as mine- you ended up hosting this blog as a result of listening to fear mongers and conspiracy theorists.

    The Bible is full of warnings about weeping and gnashing of teeth. About the fiery lake of fire but people dont want to hear this preached. Preachers like Finney preached on sin and the consequences of it- eternal damnation. A powerful revival resulted compared to today’s powerful apostasy. Fear of damnation is a powerful motivator. The God of exodus achieved plenty when making Pharaoh afraid of what will come next. Jesus used fear and blindness to convert Saul on the road to Damascus. God used fear and fire from heaven to expose the prophets of Jezebel. When Christ died 3 hours of darkness descended and a mighty earthquake was felt. We are even told that wisdom begins with the fear of the Lord. If God has and will still use fear, out of love for mankind in order to make him repent, we surely should not believe that the only way the Holy Spirit has access to our spirits is through the soft and still voice in our ears. Or through a preacher in a church.

    Like stated in my previous post. How effective are modern day preachers to bring their flock to repentance? God will do a mighty work on earth. Who are we to limit Him as to the how He will do it. I recommend you listen to an old fashioned preacher like David Lankford on his site : The voice of evangelism. He preaches the Bible like no other preacher today. His message is uncompromising and not sugar-coated to tickle the ears of the listener. We need more fear of the Lord-not less.

    If these men were false prophets the Spirit would have rebuked me long ago for listening to them. Exactly the opposite is true. They encourage me, via the Spirit, working through their platforms, to hunger for the word of God. I have never spent more time reading the Bible and praying than now. Listening to them I am thankful that God has made a plan for man to still be able to hear the truth in 2015. The modern church is a far cry from the church in Acts. If the falling away in the Olivet discourse will still happen, who will be responsible for it. The future of the church is persecution and little home Bible study group like Dr Chuck Missler also believes.

    God must be weeping over the current state of the church. Jesus wants a personal relationship with us. Like other aspects of modern life, we have made other people responsible for our well-being. In this case we have made the pastor responsible for our salvation. WE will be judged individually though. If one is a pastor you take on a massive responsibility in God’s view. You need to lead the flock to green pastures-away from sin where your WHOLE life is to glorify the Creator. Otherwise we know the scriptures state that judgement STARTS in the house of the Lord.

    Sincerely
    God bless your struggles

    Johan

  9. You as a Christian (and I believe a fairly new Christian, if I am not being presumptuous), need to decide right away whether or not the Bible will be your infallible source of all God wants for you in your life, and what he wants you to know. Or if you are going to compromise God’s written Word and modify it according to what you “feel” is “right” for you.

    You state that the Holy Spirit would have revealed it to you if these men were false prophets. Lets go to scripture and see what the Bible has to say about these internet “prophets”, and set aside for the moment what you “feel” about them:

    Deut. 18:22…..”when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word that the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously. You need not be afraid of him.”

    Jeremiah 23:25-3225 I have heard what the prophets have said who prophesy lies in my name, saying, ‘I have dreamed, I have dreamed!’ 26 How long shall there be lies in the heart of the prophets who prophesy lies, and who prophesy the deceit of their own heart, 27 who think to make my people forget my name by their dreams that they tell one another, even as their fathers forgot my name for Baal? 28 Let the prophet who has a dream tell the dream, but let him who has my word speak my word faithfully. What has straw in common with wheat? declares the Lord. 29 Is not my word like fire, declares the Lord, and like a hammer that breaks the rock in pieces? 30 Therefore, behold, I am against the prophets, declares the Lord, who steal my words from one another. 31 Behold, I am against the prophets, declares the Lord, who use their tongues and declare, ‘declares the Lord.’ 32 Behold, I am against those who prophesy lying dreams, declares the Lord, and who tell them and lead my people astray by their lies and their recklessness, when I did not send them or charge them

    These passages are just some of the many which warn us of the insidious nature of those who speak falsely on behalf of the Lord. They are false prophets and we should avoid them. The penalty for false prophecy in these times was death, so that the false prophet could not harm any more people with his false witness of the Lord.

    Now if you have read any of the articles on my blog, you have seen where I have fairly and accurately represented what Rick Wiles, Nathan Leal, Maurice Sklar, and others have publicly stated God has told them. These things, I have demonstrated, have not come to pass. Therefore God didn’t tell them these things. Therefore they are being deceitful in the holy name of God. Yet you are willing to compromise here, because they are “merely human” and “prone to error”, and therefore are perfectly entitled to speak for God, who will forgive any error on their part because they are inherently fallible. Am I misrepresenting your position? You have stated you think they are men of God who “get their hands dirty” doing God’s work, so I don’t think I am misrepresenting your position.

    So I hope you see how you have painted yourself into a corner here by elevating what Nathan Leal and the others broadcast to Christians as having an equal footing with scripture. You’re not doing that, you say?? Sure you are. You have just admitted that its OK to overlook what scripture says about false prophecy, basically because you have a “good feeling” about what these men are saying. Otherwise you would renounce these heretics as false prophets right now, instead of claiming “if” they were false, the Holy Spirit “would have rebuked you long ago for listening to them.”

    OK, now that you’ve allowed scripture to be over-ruled by your feelings, where does this end? How do you now decide when scripture is right, and when these men should be listened to, when there is a contradiction between what the two are saying??

    I’d like to deal with some of your comments piece by piece.

    “If you were once saved, points 1-5, you should ask yourself why points 6-10 then happened. Were you then really newly-born if you backslid?”

    I said the ten points I outlined were what I had witnessed in other Christians as a result of their listening to the people you think are so helpful. I said that I had backslid as far as somewhere between step 7 and step 8, while others I had witnessed had gone to step 10 and stayed there. You are asking why I backslid, so that tells me you are missing the whole point of my comments. The entire basis of my comment was that the internet broadcast ministries of these people we are discussing were DIRECTLY responsible for my backsliding, and the backsliding of many others. It was only by rejecting these false prophets that I was able to end my backsliding and return to the fold. And yes, I was born again. The fact that I was hindered in my Christian walk by Rick Wiles and Nathan Leal, but overcame the setback they dealt to me thru their ministries, is a testament to the power of the Holy Spirit, and how the Good Shepherd does not let any of his flock remain lost. He seeks them out like lost sheep, and returns them to the flock. (if they are truly of his flock, of course.)

    ……”you ended up hosting this blog as a result of listening to fear mongers and conspiracy theorists”…..

    Again, I see you putting a positive spin on this that is not warranted. Lets say it like it really is: I ended up writing this blog as a result of a harrowing spiritual tailspin the false prophets of the internet put me on, and as a result of a harrowing tailspin I personally witnessed their ministries put other new Christians on.

    False prophecy is a sin. Pornography is also a sin. Could I legitimately say that my Christian walk was elevated by exposure to pornography sites? Of course not, but this is exactly what you are doing with the sin of false prophecy. You are under a serious delusion if you think that false prophets “encourage you to hunger for the word of God.” What they really do is encourage you to hear more false words that are claimed to be from the Lord. Just as a pornography site could only “encourage” one to view more pornography, and could never legitimately “encourage” you to hunger for the word of God, so also a false prophecy site can only “encourage” one to consume more false prophecy. Only by renouncing the use of these sites can they be seen as a “stepping stone” to a deeper allegiance to God’s written word. As long as you are still engaged in the sin, you cannot claim in any way that you were encouraged to go deeper with God by these sites.

    You are only half right in your comments on fear in the Christian life. A good preacher will justly put the fear of the Lord in his congregation. But is this what Wiles and Leal, etal, do? Look, I don’t know how long you’ve been listening to them, but I doubt its any longer than I have. I started monitoring these broadcasters closely around 2007. I have reference material covering Rick Wiles all the way back to 1999. I consider myself somewhat of an expert on Wiles and Leal specifically. Their brand of fear is fear of God’s judgment coming to the NATION. Their brand of fear is fear of the GOVERNMENT and how evil they are and their evil plans. I cannot listen to more than 2 minutes of either of these men without hearing a rant against the government and/or nation. This is NOT genuine fear of the Lord.
    Matt. 10:28 …And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

    The government and what they may or may not do should not be a source of fear for us. The scripture is clear on this. The government has been put in place by God. We need not second guess his plans. He has given us his promises and if he put Barack Obama in power, then he has a plan where all who are his shall spiritually thrive. God places much higher importance on our eternal destinies than our temporal comfort and standard of living here on earth. Ministries which put their entire spin on what the government is doing are not spiritual ministries. As I search the scriptures, I can only find one place where Jesus even commented about the government. It is Luke 20:25 where he says “give to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s.” Can you find any verses where we are warned in the New Testament to fear what the government is doing? I can’t, and I would love it if you show me where they are.

    Also it is prudent to keep in mind that things were a million times worse in terms of governmental sanctions in the time of Jesus then they are now for the average Christian. Do you really think Obama is more diabolical that emperor Nero? Then I suggest you haven’t read much history.

    In the end the choice is yours. Listen to the internet prophets and oracles pontificate about what God has told them if you like. Find excuses if what God supposedly told them fails. There are a million excuses, and I’ve heard them all. From “Enough people repented, so God stayed his hand of judgment” to the especially insidious “God changed his mind.” But let this much be clear: compromising your Christian walk will not have a good end, and you sir, are deeply compromising your Christian walk.

    In prayer and hope for your spiritual awakening,
    JD

  10. tsimitpo says:

    Hi JD,

    I think you hit the nail on the head when you showed that Jesus did not warn us to worry about what government was doing. We in America have fallen into the trap of worshiping government when it seems to be on our side and condemning it when it doesn’t, but I don’t see anything in what Jesus taught to validate any such response. He was about freeing the eternal soul of humankind, not making the temporal surroundings more comfortable.

    I “woke up” to the deception, corruption, and outright lawlessness of government nearly 10 years ago, but patriotism was so deeply ingrained in me that it’s been a long journey to get out of the illusion that God could work any more effectively from within a government that honors Him than from within a government that does not. In fact, I’m fairly certain that as the U.S. as a nation and the churches remaining under the grip of governmental authority stray further and further from God, there will be a great harvest of souls who come rushing out of the once-comforting arms of the churches and other government-authorized nets of safety into the loving arms of Jesus.

    That being said, it seems to me that the journey “out” of the illusion that I’ve experienced myself will not be uncommon going forward. I know many people who have been saved a long time that are still living under the deception of patriotism, but despite their loyalties still love Jesus above all else. If people you label as “false prophets” help – despite all of their warts, hypocrisy, and errors – others see the patriotic seduction they’ve fallen into and point them to their Creator and Jesus for true hope, then it’s possible that they don’t quite meet ALL the criteria to be labeled a false prophet. I understand that some of them seem to be capitalizing on people’s fear by selling products and benefit by increasing listenership, but if Christ is being preached – through false motives or true (Phillipians 1:18), it just might be that they are merely flawed messengers planting seeds that God can nourish into a harvest. I have no problem letting God be the only judge of their motives.

    Whether we’ve been walking with God for a month or for a hundred years, we are still “new” in Him. Having learned little or much, God can use a dumb chip of rock to testify of His majesty. All praise and glory go to Him.

    Take care,
    tsimitpo

  11. steve bruner says:

    if you hate your brother, the love of the father is not in you.

  12. Nobody seems to get this. False prophets are not our brothers just because they claim to be “Christian”. I believe Jesus and the apostles. They are used by dark forces to shipwreck our faith. We will always seek the prophecy instead of the Son.

    After warning us so many times in his written word to beware of false prophets God will not contradict himself and say “unless of course they are the ‘good kind’ that lead you to my son”

    JD

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